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What you are doing now is called the 'chicken dance'. I asked you a simple question about whether or not EVERYONE will be drawn, and you did your best to dance around having to anwer it directoy , and when you finally partially answered it, you were not talking about EVERYONE anymore, but only those who have already accepted Christ.
No, God does not FORCE anyone, and I have given you plenty of examples in the Bible where Jesus simply said that certain people will die in their sins. John 6:44 is not about forcing anyone into anything. Christ draws people to him (knocks on their door, or calls them, or invites them), we can agree about that, but people still have to come to Him. You remember Matthew "For many are called, but few are chosen". Jesus used a parable about a wedding where the host (God) did His best to draw people to attend the wedding, but most people simply rejected the invitation. What happened to them? They were thrown into the "outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth". God did not drag them in, he tried to draw them in by invitation, and when they refused to come he punished them. Read Matthew 22:1-14
BTW the more you talk about this, the more you prove UR is false.
I really don't think the Jews were very happy when they got thrown into (spiritual) darkness in 70 A.D. Do you? There was MUCH weeping and gnashing of teeth. There were only a few disciples left out of the many when Christ left this earth.
What you are doing now is called the 'chicken dance'. I asked you a simple question about whether or not EVERYONE will be drawn, and you did your best to dance around having to anwer it directoy , and when you finally partially answered it, you were not talking about EVERYONE anymore, but only those who have already accepted Christ.
To begin with I pointed out the simple definition of a word in scripture. I mean if your going to accuse someone of playin chicken dance I suppose you ought to not play it yourself if you think it is a bad thing to do. But I guess it is a one sided concept, you can play it while bad mouthing someone else for doing it. And yes, I left the door open so you can LOL and say I admit to playing chicken dance. Because that would be your next dance move.
So go ahead comment away, obscure the fact that your original objection is wrong.
The concept of force is entirely biblical, it is your doctrinal stance that is proven false.
I really don't think the Jews were very happy when they got thrown into (spiritual) darkness in 70 A.D. Do you? There was MUCH weeping and gnashing of teeth. There were only a few disciples left out of the many when Christ left this earth.
Few are chosen. This is true.
Well it seems God tried to drag them in, but apparently didn't have enough strength, so he tossed them outside instead. Either that, or He invited them (draw them), and let the people accept it or reject the offer. According to the scripture, some accepted and some rejected.
Well it seems God tried to drag them in, but apparently didn't have enough strength, so he tossed them outside instead. Either that, or He invited them (draw them), and let the people accept it or reject the offer. According to the scripture, some accepted and some rejected.
Father, forgive them. You have to stop thinking in terms of eternity. Things will start to make sense.
I left the door open so you can LOL and say I admit to playing chicken dance. Because that would be your next dance move.
No, there will not be another move, because enough has been said. You have repeated your comment enough times, and ignored everything I say enough times.
Besides, if we continue, the mods will feel the urge to do something.
Let it go papito. Or mamita, if you are a woman. I am learning Spanish.
No, there will not be another move, because enough has been said. You have repeated your comment enough times, and ignored everything I say enough times.
Besides, if we continue, the mods will feel the urge to do something.
Let it go papito. Or mamita, if you are a woman. I am learning Spanish.
Have a nice weekend.
You just made another move with your parting comment.
I have not ignored anything, I did not ignore that you said God does not force anyone and I provided a scripture that proves the idea wrong.
What exactly did I prophesy, Mr5150? Asking somebody to think shouldn't be such a big deal. Usually.... Although, cults make it very difficult to do so. Last I checked, cults like to threaten people with bodily harm if you try to leave. Kind of like Christianity threatening small children with hell, telling people that God is going to set them on fire for eternity if they don't believe. People will SAY they believe, but, they don't. Not really.
About salvation? No, the Holy Spirit has given me assurance about that matter. Other than that, I know I have been wrong times. For example on my vacation I was wrong about the direction back to the hotel, and ended up walking an extra half a mile.
Nice of you to skip around the issue ... You know that i was referring to Eternal Torture ...
Never the less, a person who is unable or unwilling to even admit that he/she MIGHT be wrong about what he/she believes is evidence of the fact that that person has an unteachable spirit and has been thoroughly brainwashed.
Almost every fundamentalist I have ever asked this question answers the same way.
It is certainly a spirit that blinds people who cannot admit that they might be wrong about what they believe, but it is not the holy spirit i assure you ...
Nice of you to skip around the issue ... You know that i was referring to Eternal Torture ...
Never the less, a person who is unable or unwilling to even admit that he/she MIGHT be wrong about what he/she believes is evidence of the fact that that person has an unteachable spirit and has been thoroughly brainwashed.
Almost every fundamentalist I have ever asked this question answers the same way.
It is certainly a spirit that blinds people who cannot admit that they might be wrong about what they believe, but it is not the holy spirit i assure you ...
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It is rather insulting and arrogant for you to tell people they are brainwashed after they say the Holy Spirit has given them assurance of their faith. And for you to admit that you might be wrong about your own faith proves your own insecurity about your beliefs. Why do you insist in pushing your theories about the Bible to others if you can't even believe it yourself?
PS It is meanigless to say "peace" after an insult.
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