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Old 03-24-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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Both, why? Was Moses a liar now? Did he not have the Truth given to him through the Law?
Of cause Moses was not a liar , but he is not the truth and neither did the truth come through him, the law came through him.

The truth came through Jesus Christ, John 1:17.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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No i believe the TRUTH as well as grace came through Jesus Christ and the law was given by Moses.

Do you believe Jesus was lying when he said "it's the devil that came to steal kill and destroy", or do you think Jesus had never read the scriptures and missed it where it said God was doing the destroying ?. It's a shame he never had a search engine at his disposal like us.
If you have the wrath of God residing on you, you will be destroyed. Simple as that. Without Life, there is only death. And that, my dear pcamps, is out of the NT.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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If you have the wrath of God residing on you, you will be destroyed. Simple as that. Without Life, there is only death. And that, my dear pcamps, is out of the NT.
So you refuse to answer my question
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Of cause Moses was not a liar , but he is not the truth and neither did the truth come through him, the law came through him.

The truth came through Jesus Christ, John 1:17.
So now the Law is a lie? I don't see where you are going with this, really. I really hope you don't quote Jer 8:8 on this.

Well, here I will quote it for you:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie."

Just because the scribes turned the Holy Law into something that was not of God, doesn't mean the Law itself IS the lie. This is what Jesus came to set straight, and fix the crooked path.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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No i believe the TRUTH as well as grace came through Jesus Christ and the law was given by Moses.

Do you believe Jesus was lying when he said "it's the devil that came to steal kill and destroy", or do you think Jesus had never read the scriptures and missed it where it said God was doing the destroying ?. It's a shame he never had a search engine at his disposal like us.
I don't know pcamps. Is this your question, because you put question marks on everything.

No, I do not believe Jesus was lying, at all.

Of course, I believe those not covered under the blood of Jesus, ARE the devil.

I, for one, do not blame my past or current situations on the devil. It was always me that rebelled, so there is no one to blame. My mirror, not his.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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So now the Law is a lie? I don't see where you are going with this, really. I really hope you don't quote Jer 8:8 on this.

Well, here I will quote it for you:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie."

Just because the scribes turned the Holy Law into something that was not of God, doesn't mean the Law itself IS the lie. This is what Jesus came to set straight, and fix the crooked path.
Hot stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Tell me through who did the truth come through ?, because that is all i am interested in.Truth was made known to man 2000 years ago.It manifested itself through Jesus Christ.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Hot stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Tell me through who did the truth come through ?, because that is all i am interested in.Truth was made known to man 2000 years ago.It manifested itself through Jesus Christ.
No, Truth came to man at the outset of Adam. He didn't believe it, and died.

Truth came to Noah, yet those around him didn't believe it, and died.

Truth came to Joseph, and some heeded the warnings, and lived. Others died.

Truth came to Moses, yet those who didn't follow Him, died in the wilderness. Yet, some lived.

Yes, Jesus Christ IS the Truth, but the Truth has ALWAYS been. It isn't a new creation some 2000 years ago.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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So, by your OWN words, God is the Commander, right? So, God commanding Satan to destroy does not mean God Himself caused the destruction? Is this now plausible deniability?

God says He will destroy. Does it matter the 'tool' for the destruction?
I believe that's the purpose of the lake of fire. To destroy the "tool" that God required to do destroying in this fallen world.
But God Himself does not do the things that satan does.


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Old 03-24-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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No, Truth came to man at the outset of Adam. He didn't believe it, and died.

Truth came to Noah, yet those around him didn't believe it, and died.

Truth came to Joseph, and some heeded the warnings, and lived. Others died.

Truth came to Moses, yet those who didn't follow Him, died in the wilderness. Yet, some lived.

Yes, Jesus Christ IS the Truth, but the Truth has ALWAYS been. It isn't a new creation some 2000 years ago.

Wrong answer.Nowhere in scripture does it say what you quoted about the patriarchs. If the truth was with any of them it would make John 1:17 meaningless, it might as well have said truth also comes through Jesus Christ.

The scripture says TRUTH came through Jesus Christ. True Jesus Christ as always been the truth.

Jesus Christ the Truth was made known to us 2000 years ago.

None of us knew the truth until Jesus said I AM the TRUTH.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Wrong answer.Nowhere in scripture does it say what you quoted about the patriarchs. If the truth was with any of them it would make John 1:17 meaningless, it might as well have said truth also comes through Jesus Christ.

The scripture says TRUTH came through Jesus Christ. True Jesus Christ as always been the truth.

Jesus Christ the Truth was made known to us 2000 years ago.

None of us knew the truth until Jesus said I AM the TRUTH.
And I AM has been there since the beginning.
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