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Old 02-21-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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But like you mentioned.. whether it actually means "for a time" or "eternal" is up to the reader's discretion, because no such word as eternal, as we would interpret it today, exists in the Living Oracles.
Nope: not left up to the reader's discretion in the slightest, unless of course that would be the reader C.G.

 
Old 02-21-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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Nope: not left up to the reader's discretion in the slightest, unless of course that would be the reader C.G.
But it must be up to the reader's discretion, or else we can not think of anything as "eternal", since you said that no such word, as we would think of it, was in the "Living Oracles.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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Tremble before him all the earth, publish his glory among the nations, his wonderful acts for all to hear. For the Lord is great, and cannot be worthily praised, awesome is He;....oh worship the Lord...let the whole earth stand in awe of him...say among the nations, Jehovah reigns, He will judge the peoples in rectitude. -Psl. 96-
Will all the earth tremble before Him?

Will all the earth hear of the Awesome One's wonderful acts?

Will the whole earth stand in awe of Him as He judges the peoples in rectitude?

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The Lord is gracious and universally kind: the Lord's tenderness embraces all His creatures, His compassion covers all He has made, the Lord is good to all men, and HIs tender care rests upon all His creatures. -Psl. 145-
Do you believe the Lord is.....

Gracious and universally kind?

His tenderness embraces all His creatures?

His compassion covers all He has made?

He is good to all men?

His tender care rests upon all His creatures?

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All over the world, the Spirit is moving,

All over the world, as the prophets said it would be,

All over the world, there's a mighty restoration

Of the glory of the Lord,

As the waters cover the sea.

Deep down in my heart, the Spirit is moving,

Deep down in my heart, as the prophets said it would be,

Deep down in my heart, theres a mighty restoration,

Of the glory of the Lord,

As the waters cover the sea.
"All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto the Lord; and all the families of the nations shall worship before You or Lord and bow themselves before You."
 
Old 02-21-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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Tremble before him all the earth, publish his glory among the nations, his wonderful acts for all to hear. For the Lord is great, and cannot be worthily praised, awesome is He;....oh worship the Lord...let the whole earth stand in awe of him...say among the nations, Jehovah reigns, He will judge the peoples in rectitude. -Psl. 96-

Will all the earth tremble before Him?

Will all the earth hear of the Awesome One's wonderful acts?

Will the whole earth stand in awe of Him as He judges the peoples in rectitude?
This was the Psalmist's wish, and is our wish today.. that all would worship the Lord. However, commands do not translate into actions.

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"All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto the Lord; and all the families of the nations shall worship before You or Lord and bow themselves before You."
Yes.. the gospel is open to all, not only God's people of the Old Covenant.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 01:18 PM
 
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This was the Psalmist's wish, and is our wish today.. that all would worship the Lord. However, commands do not translate into actions.
Our Father's purposes always consummate ultimately in His perfect will being done. His will is not abdicated by the will of grass. But let us hear again from another word in the Sacred Secrets....

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Such prayer is right, [prayer for all mankind] and approved by God our Saviour, whose will is that all men should find salvation and come to know the truth. For there is one God, and also one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who sacrificed himself to win freedom for all mankind.
"Who will have all men to be saved= ov pantav anqrwpouv qelei swqhnai.

Literally who willeth all men, as who, or seeing that he, giving the ground of the previous statement, prayer to God for all is acceptable to him, because he wills the salvation of all.

Qelei willeth, marking a determinate purpose.

We will not ask CG to come forward and lead us in singing....

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I cannot tell how He will win the nations,
How He will claim His earthly heritage,
How satisfy the needs and aspirations
Of East and West, of sinner and of sage.
But this I know, all flesh shall see His glory,
And He shall reap the harvest He has sown,
And some glad day His sun shall shine in splendor
When He the Savior, Savior of the world is known.

I cannot tell how all the lands shall worship,
When, at His bidding, every storm is stilled,
Or who can say how great the jubilation
When all the hearts of men with love are filled.
But this I know, the skies will thrill with rapture,
And myriad, myriad human voices sing,
And earth to Heaven, and Heaven to earth, will answer:
At last the Savior, Savior of the world is King!
I Cannot Tell
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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Our Father's purposes always consummate ultimately in His perfect will being done.
Correct.. but His perfect will does not include forcing anyone to worship Him. He does not want sin to enter heaven, and so it is not his will that the unrepentant will enter.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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Correct.. but His perfect will does not include forcing anyone to worship Him.
My goodness, where would you ever get the idea that our God will need to force anybody into the festal worship of His Being. Every knee, of every being, ultimately bows before Him in worship; and every tongue, of every being in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, ultimately confesses in union with the Name of all names, "You are Lord." Such confession is not by rote, or perfunctory genuflections, but in thanksgiving, celebration and worship.

Put under=

Subdued=

Be subject=

uJpotavssw=
  1. to arrange under, to subordinate
  2. to subject, put in subjection
  3. to subject one's self, obey
  4. to submit to one's control
  5. to yield to one's admonition or advice
  6. to obey, be subject
A Greek military term meaning "to arrange [troop divisions] in a military fashion under the command of a leader".


In non-military use, it was "a voluntary attitude of giving in, cooperating,

Yes, friend, the same spirit in Jesus Christ that yields to the Father in the final stages of the mighty reconciliation to God is what we are looking forward.

All is to be arranged under Him. All ultimately yield to His admonition and advice. All ultimately obey Him, and subject themselves unto Him. All ultimately yield themselves to Him in unrestrained thankfulness and thanksgiving.

Charles Chauncey

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I place such a value upon the merits and death of my redeemer, as to conclude all will be happy for whom he suffered on the cross. And I pay such a regard to the positive declarations of Scripture, as to anticipate the restitution of all things;--when the ruins of the fall shall be more than repaired, and the creature which now groans shall groan no more.
Charles Chauncey HERE

The Mystery Hid From Ages & Generations

HERE
 
Old 02-21-2008, 03:02 PM
 
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My goodness, where would you ever get the idea that our God will need to force anybody into the festal worship of His Being. Every knee, of every being, ultimately bows before Him in worship; and every tongue, of every being in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, ultimately confesses in union with the Name of all names, "You are Lord." Such confession is not by rote, or perfunctory genuflections, but in thanksgiving, celebration and worship.
Everything is under subjection to God, I agree. He made the world, He made the rules. He does not force us to play by them, tho, and we will all have to answer to our choices.

Not every knee of every being willultimately bow before Him in worship and adoration, thanksgiving, celebration and worship. Only those who have accepted Jesus' sacrifice while on earth.

Everyone will see God's power and majesty some day at the judgement.. but for those who have not answered God's call on earth, it will be too late to make any changes. And they will hardly be bowing in adoration at this time.. rather in terrible fear, knowing they are guilty.

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 03:19 PM
 
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Not every knee of every being willultimately bow before Him in worship and adoration, thanksgiving, celebration and worship. Only those who have accepted Jesus' sacrifice while on earth.
Phil. 2:10,11

"It is because of this also that God has so highly exalted Him, and has conferred on Him the Name which is supreme above every other name, In order that in the Name of Jesus (so that in adoration of the Name of Jesus) every knee should bow, of beings in the highest heavens, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

kavmptw = bow=

Used of worshippers.

To bow one's self.

Confess= ejxomologevw

Confess/ profess.

A. To acknowledge openly and joyfully.

B. To celebrate/ to give praise to.

Exomologeo Rooted In oJmologevw

oJmologevw=

To confess/ declare.

A. To profess/ declare openly and freely.

B. To profess one's self the worshipper of one.

C. To praise and celebrate.

In the Name/ Within the Name -Jonathan Mitchell Greek N.T.-

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For this reason, God also lifts Him up above (highly exalts Him; elevates Him over) and by grace gives to Him (graces on Him) the Name -- the one over and above every name! -- to the end that within The Name: Jesus! (or: in the name of {or: belonging to} Jesus), EVERY KNEE -- of the men upon the heavens (of those belonging to the super-heavens) and of the men existing upon the earth and of the men dwelling down under the ground (or: pertaining to subterranean ones) -- may bend (should bow) in worship or prayer, and EVERY TONGUE may speak out the same thing (should openly agree, confess and acclaim) that Jesus Christ Lord <= Yahweh?> -- into glory of Father God (or: unto Father God's reputation)!
 
Old 02-21-2008, 03:28 PM
 
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Not every knee of every being willultimately bow before Him in worship and adoration, thanksgiving, celebration and worship. Only those who have accepted Jesus' sacrifice while on earth.
Robertson Word Pictures Of The New Testament

Philippians 2:10

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That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampshi).

First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina.

Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.
Under the earth (kataxtoniwn).

Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T.
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