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do you understand the annual day of atonement?. that covers, or cleans your sins.
You really are condescending. Why did Jesus tell the paralyzed man his sins were forgiven, if Israel was already walking under a blood covenant of forgiveness?.
You really are condescending. Why did Jesus tell the paralyzed man his sins were forgiven, if Israel was already walking under a blood covenant of forgiveness?.
Lets put it this way pcamps, if the lord Jesus have already forgiven our sins, why do we still confess them?.
Is this another one of those "I can't answer the question so I'll just slap the questioner"?
No ... it's another "I won't answer someone who has no intentions to hear the truth but be antagonistic"
But are there answers ... sure there are plenty.
What lie do you want to hear from God that I can repeat ... ? since that will be the end result you're going to conclude anything quoted from God's Word the Bible.
Why are you avoiding answering what i am asking you?.
you're asking me nothing. I have answered all of your question, but you refused to hear. so with that, I'll end this conversation on that note. good day.
I have contemplated this question in one form or another at times and it was partly this question (and other things) that caused me to brand the penal atonement theology as being completely ridiculous. Yet I comprehend that the Church structure has needed to firmly grasped this dogma ever since the Council of Nicaea because it was part and parcel of the stranglehold they were determined to exert over people.
But the question still remains: Jesus was freely and completely able to forgive sins before His death without telling the person(s) to go to the temple and shed an animal's blood to make it complete. I don't read that Jesus ever said, "I forgive you, but you'll have to wait until I die before the forgiveness can really take effect. Technically, you're still in your sins, but you're first in line for forgiveness once My death is complete."
No, Jesus, being One with His Father; being the Father personified on earth in the form of His Son, freely forgave sinners their sins without any conditions attached. So theoretically God possessed the capacity to forgive sin without requiring a blood offering to accomplish it and doing so didn't seem to compromise His sense of honor or justice.
So why does God require Jesus' blood to right the scales of sin now?
I think an even more complex situation is that, "Jesus already died for our sins yet every child is born with a sin".
And then to make matter even more complex, if a child dies within a few hours of his death, he doesn't stand chance to go paradise since he was born with a sin and never had a chance to even know who Jesus was?
you're asking me nothing. I have answered all of your question, but you refused to hear. so with that, I'll end this conversation on that note. good day.
No you haven't, if Israel was walking under a blood covenant of forgiveness, which seems to be what you are suggesting, why did Jesus need to tell him he was forgiven and what's more tell the guy he was forgiven without asking to be forgiven?.
No you haven't, if Israel was walking under a blood covenant of forgiveness, which seems to be what you are suggesting, why did Jesus need to tell him he was forgiven and what's more tell the guy he was forgiven without asking to be forgiven?.
Because Jesus is the Godman
as true God he has the authority
as true man he needed to be the perfect sacrifice demanded by the law
John 1:29
[ John Testifies About Jesus ]
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Luke 9:22
And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”
John 3:14-15
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
as true man he needed to be the perfect sacrifice demanded by the law
John 1:29
[ John Testifies About Jesus ]
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Luke 9:22
And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”
John 3:14-15
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
You too are ignoring the fact that Jesus forgave without the shedding of blood.
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