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Except that Paul’s writings were identified as Scripture by Peter. They knew they were writing Gods Word.
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Originally Posted by mensaguy
Nope. Not a chance. Paul was writing letters; some obviously in response to letters he had received.
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Originally Posted by pcamps
No they were not. The scriptures are the OT.
You are correct BF. Also, Paul knew his writings were scripture.
You received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.
You are correct BF. Also, Paul knew his writings were scripture.
You received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.
You are correct BF. Also, Paul knew his writings were scripture.
You received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.
1 Thess. 2:13
"The word of God" does not refer to "scripture," but to the message that Jesus embodied.
So if I write a new Bible and claim it is a direct revelation from God, and put a passage in it that it is the inspired word of God, without error, will that mean it is the new Bible that all must believe? After all the book says it is the one true word of God.
So if I write a new Bible and claim it is a direct revelation from God, and put a passage in it that it is the inspired word of God, without error, will that mean it is the new Bible that all must believe? After all the book says it is the one true word of God.
Obviously, that is how it works. Don't take my word for it, though. There are several here that have already confirmed it.
So if I write a new Bible and claim it is a direct revelation from God, and put a passage in it that it is the inspired word of God, without error, will that mean it is the new Bible that all must believe? After all the book says it is the one true word of God.
If other believers over thousands of years preach the same message, then maybe so.
"The word of God" does not refer to "scripture," but to the message that Jesus embodied.
Actually, that is wrong. I've seen enough from you though, that I have gotten used to the contradictory statements you've made. You claim to worship Jesus..but you deny the Scriptures that testify to him. I don't know where you heard of this Jesus you claim to worship without actually reading anything that talks about him.
Actually, that is wrong. I've seen enough from you though, that I have gotten used to the contradictory statements you've made. You claim to worship Jesus..but you deny the Scriptures that testify to him. I don't know where you heard of this Jesus you claim to worship without actually reading anything that talks about him.
I gave the opinions of early church father Origen, as well as more recent scholars that 2nd Peter was most by far questioned to be pseudepigraphical, and is probably a criticism of Paul based on the Greek language used.
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--textual critic Daniel Wallace (who maintains that Peter was the author) writes that, for most experts, "the issue of authorship is already settled, at least negatively: the apostle Peter did not write this letter" and that "the vast bulk of NT scholars adopts this perspective without much discussion
How do you think the first century Christians, even before Paul's writings, became Christian? They had no Bible. Certainly not a NT. There was nothing to read, yet they believed. So apparently it IS possible to become a Jesus follower without reading a single word about Him.
But to educate you better--or at least provide you with an opportunity to do so and wipe out any excuse you will make to God about why the Bible is your god rather than Jesus---listen to a Southern Baptist preacher, Andy Stanley, son of Charles Stanley:
Published in April, 2018, here is a summary by Andy of his message:
If you were raised on a version of Christianity that relied on the Bible as the foundation of faith, a version that was eventually dismantled by academia or the realities of life, maybe it’s time for you to change your mind about Jesus. Maybe it’s time for you to consider the version of Christianity that relies on the event of the resurrection of Jesus as its foundation. If you gave up your faith because of something about or in the Bible, maybe you gave up unnecessarily.
Andy graduated Dallas Theological Seminary and is far more conservative than I am. But he is a "thinking" conservative pastor, not like most of the idiots that stand in fundamentalist pulpits.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.…
John 1:1-3
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He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth He who comes from heaven is above all.
John 3:31
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The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.
John 3:35
I'm sorry for you that your faith must rely on the Bible rather than on the One to Whom it points. You have religion, but not Christ. And you haven't even read your own Bible nor understood its purpose.
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So if I write a new Bible and claim it is a direct revelation from God, and put a passage in it that it is the inspired word of God, without error, will that mean it is the new Bible that all must believe? After all the book says it is the one true word of God.
Will it have a note that says, "Please disregard the previous version.
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