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Old 10-01-2008, 09:18 AM
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The drama of creation begins with a scene in which the first Adam takes a step that Ieads all his posterity into ruin and death. It closes with a vision in which the last Adam presents to the Father, as a fruit of His Cross and Throne, a universe of beings delivered from sin and death, and worshipping in adoring wonder at His feet. This is the "purpose of the ages." (Eph. 3:11). This is the goal of creation. Then will Christ see of the travail of His soul and be SATISFIED.
Romans 5:18,19

"For as by one man's disobedience polus were made sinners,

SO

by the obedience of One shall polus be made righteous.

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound/pleonazo.

BUT

But where sin pleonazo (ed), grace did much more abound/huperperisseuo (ed)"

Jesus Christ the predestined Lord of the Universe meets pleonazo with huperperisseuo!

Sin abounds: His grace abounds beyond measure!
Sin abounds: His grace abounds exceedingly!
Sin abounds: His grace overflows the banks!

The Scope Of Adam one: Pleonazo

Pleonazo=

To superabound/ to exist in abundance.
To increase/ be augmented/ to make increase.

The Reconciliation Of Jesus Christ: Combination Of Huper+Perisseuo
Huper=

In behalf of/ For the sake of.
Over/ beyond/ more than.
More/ Beyond/ Over.

Perisseuo=

To exceed a fixed number of measure.
To be left over and above a certain number or measure.
To be over/ to remain.
To exist or be at hand in abundance.
To be great (abundant)
A thing which comes in abundance, or overflows unto one.
Something falls to the lot of one in large measure.
To redound unto, turn out abundantly for, a thing.
To abound, overflow.
To be abundantly furnished with, to have in abundance.
Abound, to be in affluence.
To be pre-eminent, to excel.
To excel more than. To exceed.
To make to abound.
To furnish one richly so that he has abundance.
To make abundant or excellent.

Huper & Perisseuo= Huperperisseuo=

Huperperisseuo=

To abound beyond measure/ abound exceedingly.
To overflow/ to enjoy abundantly.
Perisseuo Rooted In Perissos

Perissos=

Exceeding some number or measure or rank or need.
Over and above, more than is necessary, super-added.
Exceeding abundantly, supremely.
Something further/ more/ much more than all/ more plainly.
Superior, extraordinary, surpassing, uncommon.
Pre-eminence, superiority, advantage, more eminent, more remarkable, more excellent.
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Assuredly the Bible is not the story of sin, deepening into eternal ruin, of God's Son, worsted in His utmost effort; it is from the opening to the close the story of grace stronger than sin--of life victorious over every form of death--of God triumphing over evil.
"...We must die, and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again. But God does not take away life; instead He deviseth ways for the banished to be restored."

His grace superabounds!
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:23 AM
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So what are you saying?
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:03 AM
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You can convince people that it's in the Bible, but if they don't see the heart of God what's the point?
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:17 AM
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I don't know if there is a literal hell. I don't know if those souls that are damned will spend eternity there. What I do know is that God is just. So if it exists and the damned spend eternity there, than it is just. And if there is some kind of reconciliation, than it is just as well. I will humble myself before the Lord, make no claims of fully understanding his ways, try my best to live obediently/faithfully, repent of my sins, and put my trust in him.
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:27 AM
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I don't know if there is a literal hell. I don't know if those souls that are damned will spend eternity there. What I do know is that God is just. So if it exists and the damned spend eternity there, than it is just. And if there is some kind of reconciliation, than it is just as well. I will humble myself before the Lord, make no claims of fully understanding his ways, try my best to live obediently/faithfully, repent of my sins, and put my trust in him.
Do you have doubt of a literal hell because how can you have trust in God's just nature about hell if you don't know if their is one?
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:31 AM
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hell is sheer speculation no one has ever been there and come back to talk about it.
however i have seen some pretty good imitations right here.
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I equate heaven and hell to the old carrot and stick thing used to control mules, only in this case it's used to control people.
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Hell is the refining process - even the weeping and gnashing of teeth we experience during our walk here on earth. It's age - related.
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I equate heaven and hell to the old carrot and stick thing used to control mules, only in this case it's used to control people.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
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Hell is the refining process - even the weeping and gnashing of teeth we experience during our walk here on earth. It's age - related.
Have you ever laughed on earth? If so then hell is not on earth because never once did Jesus say, anyone smiled, laughed, anything positive in hell.

If you have had positive moments on this planet then this is not hell.

and if there is no hell, then what may I ask, Jesus die for then?
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