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Old 10-22-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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According to partisan hack Nate Silver, Obama has a better chance of winning OH than Romney has of winning FL. Romney is ahead in the RCP average in FL by more than Obama is in OH. And undecideds are more likely to vote for challengers than incumbents, which Nate Silver actually admitted though he tried to explain it away. Of course he ignores this in his calculations. And Obama is several points below 50% in OH.
Right. So you have no statistical data to back up anything you're saying? It's just "I can feel it in my bones!" RCP, 538, Huff Post, and TPM all have Obama up, so there's no need to single out Silver. You can't dismiss polls simply because you don't like them.

 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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By the way, should I go for a pizza at lunch or a hamburger? What are your bones telling you?
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Right. So you have no statistical data to back up anything you're saying? It's just "I can feel it in my bones!" RCP, 538, Huff Post, and TPM all have Obama up, so there's no need to single out Silver. You can't dismiss polls simply because you don't like them.
RCP doesn't have Obama up.

They did yesterday.

TPM and HuffPost don't either. You even said that.

And, yes, challengers gain a bit more than incumbents when comparing October polling to election results. Even Nate Silver said so.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Gallup.Com - Daily News, Polls, Public Opinion on Politics, Economy, Wellbeing, and World

Gallup is out with its daily release.

Romney's lead down by 1 among likely voters. He still has a 6-point lead and is at 51%.

Obama disapproval rating up 1.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, 5 out of 37 polls Romney has been either up (+1) or tied with Obama since August. He has trailed in every OH poll since October 12 with the exception of one (tie).

Talk about seeing the glass 30 percent full.
Lol you're hilarious what do polls in August have to do with tea in China.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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RCP doesn't have Obama up.
They have all have him up in Ohio.

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And, yes, challengers gain a bit more than incumbents when comparing October polling to election results. Even Nate Silver said so.
And what makes you think Silver would not account for this in his model? Or RCP? Or TPM? Or Huff Post?
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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They have all have him up in Ohio.



And what makes you think Silver would not account for this in his model? Or RCP? Or TPM? Or Huff Post?
Not the new Suffolk poll that just came out.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Not the new Suffolk poll that just came out.
6 of the last 8 polls have Obama up.

More importantly, however, is that none have Rmoney up.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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And what makes you think Silver would not account for this in his model? Or RCP? Or TPM? Or Huff Post?
Because he does not. He uses the polling averages and ignores the undecideds. TPM, Huff Post, and RCP are simply polling averages, they are not projections or models.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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Here is the new Suffolk poll:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/doc...lk_OH_1022.pdf

Tied

This sample voted for Obama over McCain by almost 7 in 2008. Obama won the state by 4.6.
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