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What are you talking about if a lot of people don't like you most likely you're doing something they consider rude or they may just consider you odd. If your getting a lot of people being mean to you than you are doing something wrong, they will let you know for sure when your not accepted.
No, I do not do things you say more than anyone one else. I am very careful and polite with them, and I have many friends in Portugal. Of course, another matter is the selfishness, like in the US I got superb help on the road when my car broke down and I could not thank them more. Felt ashamed when I got no necessary tools when someone else was needed help. In Portugal, forget about it, very rarely anyone would even stop for me, let alone offers help, but yes, they are FRIENDLY, smiling, waving their hands at you on the road, driving fast by, on "my" side of the road in more than 50% cases, but try to "Go Deeper" and you find out you're not invited to their homes, and you're a stranger. Except when I hire them, they are always friendly. With some exceptions, of course. And did I mention most Portuguese driving one side of a car on "our" side of the road? Many signs point to extreme selfishness despite seemingly extreme friendliness of the folk.
A foreigner living in Portugal can not be doing all things right all the time. Here's one example, when I had a house and the couple Portuguese son and mother came to ask me to rent my apt. to them, my Portguese friends told me DO NOT (to these two). They tried hard to get into my property to rent it. I said many times I am sorry very politely but I can not. The guy told me angrily: "Spaniard!!!" while leaving my property. When I speak I do sound Spanish a lot of times, and the locals sometimes tell me: "You're speaking Spanish!" This is when I lived in Portugal or the islands. Of course, most Portuguese are very polite and friendly. Yet when it comes to deal with businesses there are a lot of crooked ones that try to rip you off. But that's probably around the world.
I may be exgerrating at times as usually in real life, everything is cool and nice, but again. Don't let me start again on their SERVICES.
Oh, speaking Spanish is indeed dangerous. As I said, Spaniards are not very popular here, although usually locals won't say it openly as many benefit from tourism. But for instance saying grácias instead of obrigado is really a kind of sin and you immediately land on people's mental dislike list.
Portugal is a very formal country, so it is easy to violate certain unwritten laws one is not aware of. But foreigners are usually forgiven.
I do agree with him to a certain extent, though. People are more extreme. A lot are super friendly and from the heart. But there are also people where clearly the friendliness is only fake. Their true nature comes out in soccer stadiums, on the road, or during any conflict. There is some latent aggression in my view, which might be due to many people never being really sober. People drink so much alcohol, here a bear, here a glass of wine.
All the cases of domestic violence also point at the darker side of people here.
Friendliness is often just formal. If you are not friendly, they accuse you of being mal educado.
Talking bad behind people's back while smiling in their faces is also rather common here.
1. I agree with the bolded but he is basically saying everyone is being mean because he's not one of them which is BS, he's doing something to contribute to it.
2. This is often the case it's a different society with it's own culture.
3. Some people tend to talk about people behind their backs some don't it's a matter of finding out who does and keeping them at a distance and just being superficially polite if you don't like that behavior(I don't so I keep them at a distance). Being labeled mal educado isn't a good thing because you will be viewed as unpredictable and undesirable.
Oh, speaking Spanish is indeed dangerous. As I said, Spaniards are not very popular here, although usually locals won't say it openly as many benefit from tourism. But for instance saying grácias instead of obrigado is really a kind of sin and you immediately land on people's mental dislike list.
I sometimes usued to tongue-slip into ADIOS instead of ADÖUUSH, but there was no bad reaction. Yet I never said GRACIAS or GRATHIAS, because OBRIGADO is deeply ingrained and very different from GRATHIAS. Usually one makes such istakes in the beginning, such as DOS instead of DOYSH, DES instead of DESH. But there are many Brazilians as well. I don't think Portuguese dislike the Brazilians or even the Azoreans. I alweays have the best intentions towards people, but they manage to find some "faults" and "punish" me for that.
I did not mean to come hard on Neuling, it is his personal view, but I was a bit frustrated that he thinks Europe is just Germany and maybe Austria.... and that's it. While Latinos are not Europe as well, such as Portugal (and Spain) was also considered to be non-Europe, especially before the 80s. Italians, southern Italy again, in the movies, they are Arabs and Blacks, (just a joke most likely) What is Europe then? Funnily the racists call South Europeans as having African genetics, while Eastern Europeans having Mongoloid genetics, then what remains is the UK (non continental, so not exactly Europe), which also recently was "discovered" the natives of Britannia having dark skin, Germany is barbarian, Scandinavia is also Mongoloid, (not my opinion though) perhaps the Benelux is the only "true" "Europe"? Even Algeria used to be part of France means it must have been Europe in the 1950s etc. While I travelled across Europe the "Whitest" folks I discovered were around the Baltic Sea and Belarus, perhaps Ukraine as well, Estonia, Sweden, but they are also mixed with "Mongoloid" so to speak. Which is nothing wrong, of course. So sandwiched between "Mongoloid" and "Negroid" "Europe" is what it seems Germany, perhaps Denmark and Austria (although quite Slavic, thus "Mongoloid"), so when the guy says "Europe ends with Germany", I wonder what does Europe actually BEGIN with? :-) Does "Europe" also begin with Germany? So... Deutchland über Alles? Or is the Latinoish France also included in so-called "You Rope"? In 25-50 years due to low birth rates there will be no more Europe, just "you = rope" as in hang yourself, due to feminism and emancipation of "Western" women.
Or perhaps "Europe" begins with Northern Portugal and ends with western suburbs of Dresden or even more west? And how about Greece, it is so far away East that calling it western Europe let alone Europe while Albania is more West. Finland is more East than Poland etc. and Portugal is almost in Africa.
I think the case is: Deutschland über Alles! Deutschland ist Europa. Nur. :-) And that last piece of Europe is now being destroyed by Angela Merkelewa.
P.S. "Talking bad behind people's back while smiling in their faces is also rather common here." - I think the term is Hypocrites and Egoist and is Portuguese style "punishment" by spreading the (fake) word about someone who caught them stealing.
Regarding Spain, it's "dangerous" to speak English in Spain, so perhaps Portugal is a litle bit more friendly country although perhaps more hypocrite than Spain. Any other opinons and observations?
I personally prefer rude and even dangerous on the outside but good in their heart vs. and than good on the appearance, but hypocrite and egoist on the inside.
Still, the Portuguese are really nice and safe people to my liking.
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Brazilians and Azoreans don't use Spanish words. They pronounce the Portuguese words a bit differently, yes, but everyone immediately recognizes their origin and people don't mistake them for Spaniards.
You are putting lots of words into my mouth, I never said anything like "but I was a bit frustrated that he thinks Europe is just Germany and maybe Austria" and all your other weird accusations.
Brazilians and Azoreans don't use Spanish words. They pronounce the Portuguese words a bit differently, yes, but everyone immediately recognizes their origin and people don't mistake them for Spaniards.
You are putting lots of words into my mouth, I never said anything like "but I was a bit frustrated that he thinks Europe is just Germany and maybe Austria" and all your other weird accusations.
No, you did not say that, but a lot of people say it, that Germany, Austria and Benelux is the only true Europe. So I "expanded" the topic into asking everyone's opinions where does Europe begin with (for them) since it sems to end with Germany?
France is no longer European as it seems and the migrants only want to go for Germany, so it seems Europe will end up as Germany. Thus we need to create another name for..... Iberoscandinavia perhaps
Yes, I am weird by stating all that, but you're not by stating that to you Europe ends wirth Germany. Remember that Germany used to be all the way to the border of Lituania and even beyond where now the creepy place called Kaliningrad is situated.
No, I do not do things you say more than anyone one else. I am very careful and polite with them, and I have many friends in Portugal. Of course, another matter is the selfishness, like in the US I got superb help on the road when my car broke down and I could not thank them more. Felt ashamed when I got no necessary tools when someone else was needed help. In Portugal, forget about it, very rarely anyone would even stop for me, let alone offers help, but yes, they are FRIENDLY, smiling, waving their hands at you on the road, driving fast by, on "my" side of the road in more than 50% cases, but try to "Go Deeper" and you find out you're not invited to their homes, and you're a stranger. Except when I hire them, they are always friendly. With some exceptions, of course. And did I mention most Portuguese driving one side of a car on "our" side of the road? Many signs point to extreme selfishness despite seemingly extreme friendliness of the folk.
A foreigner living in Portugal can not be doing all things right all the time. Here's one example, when I had a house and the couple Portuguese son and mother came to ask me to rent my apt. to them, my Portguese friends told me DO NOT (to these two). They tried hard to get into my property to rent it. I said many times I am sorry very politely but I can not.The guy told me angrily: "Spaniard!!!" while leaving my property. When I speak I do sound Spanish a lot of times, and the locals sometimes tell me: "You're speaking Spanish!" This is when I lived in Portugal or the islands. Of course, most Portuguese are very polite and friendly. Yet when it comes to deal with businesses there are a lot of crooked ones that try to rip you off. But that's probably around the world.
I may be exgerrating at times as usually in real life, everything is cool and nice, but again. Don't let me start again on their SERVICES.
Everyone warned you about those two so their reputation pre ceded them. LOL there is worse things he could have called you than Spaniard.
I think you answered this one already with the thought that follows the bolded part.
I really don't see anything really bad about these experiences.
No, you did not say that, but a lot of people say it, that Germany, Austria and Benelux is the only true Europe. So I "expanded" the topic into asking everyone's opinions where does Europe begin with (for them) since it sems to end with Germany?
France is no longer European as it seems and the migrants only want to go for Germany, so it seems Europe will end up as Germany. Thus we need to create another name for..... Iberoscandinavia perhaps
Yes, I am weird by stating all that, but you're not by stating that to you Europe ends wirth Germany. Remember that Germany used to be all the way to the border of Lituania and even beyond where now the creepy place called Kaliningrad is situated.
In reality I think there are 3 or more Europes. The EU gives the impression that there is only one Europe, but I don't think that's the case.
Everyone warned you about those two so their reputation pre ceded them. LOL there is worse things he could have called you than Spaniard.
I think you answered this one already with the thought that follows the bolded part.
I really don't see anything really bad about these experiences.
No dude, there was nothing bad about those experiences, but I try to follow the thread, to speak about Portuguese and Spaniards and the little differences among them. If he called me an Ass**** or anything else, I would have not cared and just wouldda told him OBRIGADO, but when he called me a Spaniard, I actually felt honoured! And I told him: Bom dia Senhor y Senhora, Adios. The only reason I did not accept them because they had no jobs and the way they acted were a bit more rude and arrogant than average Portuguese and I really love the way Portuguese are - all friendly, calm and safe. Really nice people, just have to watch some of them are quite crooked (at business), but most are so dear that I want them as my closest relatives.
I am not good at internet, PC, nerdy stuff, but someone just messaged me on some place I got no idea with, I think it is called "reputations" but I have got no idea why it is there and how it works, so here it is:
"Hyuk-hyuk, you are funny!!! You couldn't be more wrong about Neuling's origins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Meh, you made me curious now, so Neuling where are you from? If you don't want to post in publique, gimme a PM and I will reciproK8.
P.S. Do you guyz know what language "hyuk-hyuk" comes from? To my wildest guess, is Korean?
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