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And yes you just screwed up you Bull Sh-t anti-Maryland argument.......
Sorry kid but Maryland is still a Southern State.........
Looking at the map Maryland has more Catholics than Baptist, which is a trend that most non-southern states have when it comes to religious affiliation.
More importantly how am I anti-Maryland? I have never bashed the state.
However after All of that typing it still does not take away from the FACT that Maryland is a Southern State and you or any Maryland hating disrespectful deep southerner can not do a dam*n thing to remove the reality.........
Two things.
1. I'm not from the "Deep South." I'm from Kentucky. It's the south, but not the "Deep" south.
2. Again, you say it's a "fact" but you haven't given any proof of this argument. Which means it's NOT a fact. It's your opinion.
And please don't insinuate I'm lying. I'm not. I've been to Maryland (not DC or Baltimore), and I loved it. I do not call Maryland northern because I hate it. I don't hate the north, either. I LIVE IN THE NORTH NOW. And Maryland is FAR MORE like the northern cities I've lived in and visited. The people I know who live there agree and DO NOT LIKE IT when someone refers to them as "southern" because a.) they don't have accents and b.) they don't see themselves that way.
In fact, the numbers show that the majority of people in Maryland DO NOT consider themselves southern. So why are we putting htis label on a state that doesn't want it?
This goes to the convo a page a two back, im originally Oakland C.A. been in Virginia and Maryland most of my life while I do see some diffrences between them i see far more similarities they share. Its funny seeing people from other places tell you how it is culturally where you reside but hey we all have our own look on things. Also our opinions may vary depeding on our cultures and the way we were raised because im mainly speaking as far my community goes the African American cummunity.
This goes to the convo a page a two back, im originally Oakland C.A. been in Virginia and Maryland most of my life while I do see some diffrences between them i see far more similarities they share. Its funny seeing people from other places tell you how it is culturally where you reside but hey we all have our own look on things. Also our opinions may vary depeding on our cultures and the way we were raised because im mainly speaking as far my community goes the African American cummunity.
It depends on where you are in VA. If you are in NOVA...yeah Maryland and VA are similar. I grew up in Southwest VA and its nothing like Maryland. It's very much culturally Appalachian...just like Eastern KY, Eastern TN, Western NC, and Upstate SC to some degree. Maryland to me is quintecentially Mid-Atlantic and when you start getting into the tentacles of NOVA...it feels Mid-Atlantic as opposed to traditionally southern IMO.
It depends on where you are in VA. If you are in NOVA...yeah Maryland and VA are similar. I grew up in Southwest VA and its nothing like Maryland. It's very much culturally Appalachian...just like Eastern KY, Eastern TN, Western NC, and Upstate SC to some degree. Maryland to me is quintecentially Mid-Atlantic and when you start getting into the tentacles of NOVA...it feels Mid-Atlantic as opposed to traditionally southern IMO.
4. "Your" experts work at Penn, woopty effn doo. Who were the "experts" before these geniuses figured out this linguistic puzzle for all of us unENLIGHTENED folk?
Penn does have one of the best linguistic departments in the world. For what it's worth the Mid-Atlantic dialect (sometimes called Atlantic midland) is not purely a Northern accent. It's a cross between Northern and Southern, although there are a few more features in common with the North. Before the Civil War, Philadelphia was called (alternatively) the most Southern Northern City and the most Northern Southern City. Baltimore had that moniker as well (at times). Although, when the Civil War broke out, Baltimore had divided loyalties and Philly did not (dispelling that notion, I guess).
So, I wouldn't trash linguists on this one. They're just tracking dialectal shifts in America, not trying to show cultural regions. There's some logic in using linguistic maps to build cultural maps, but it obviously isn't everything.
Linguistically, the area south of Delaware is Southern. Take that how you like.
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6.I AM NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO PROVE MARYLAND AS BEING SOUTHERN BECAUSE IF YOUR ILLITERATE *** COULD READ, I HAVE BEEN SAYING "MD/DC/VA are historically the South but MIDATLANTIC in logistical REALITY" and you agreed to the historical part yet ignored the other part and substituted Mid-Atlantic for Southern. R.I.F.
They are historically Southern. I think one of the main reasons for the shift was the fact that Maryland didn't have reconstruction. But neither did Kentucky, so that's not the other reason. There was also a lot of integration with other Northern cities, so that may have helped facilitate the shift.
[quote=757Cities Southsider;27654227]7.Although I can see how one could say MD is a part of the South...I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT MD/DC/VA IS THE MIDATLANTIC, DE too. I HAVE ALSO SAID THAT IT IS NOT THE NORTHEAST BUT RATHER MID-ATLANTIC. R.I.F.
Some people use Mid-Atlantic as a subset of the Northeast. Both sides have a point on that one. I'm sure I don't need to tell you the argument against it. The argument for it, though, is that it's clearly part of the Northeast corridor and people in the region often act like they're in the Northeast (but there is a big city/small town and urban/rural divide).
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8. I never said they were southern accents, YOU DID, in your warped brain. They are interconnected though... Mid Atlantic-Tidewater-Early Modern English(upper class/ English West Country)...as this area is home to Englands first permanent settlement and colony. SMH.
The Tidewater accent is a subset of the Southern accent, though, while the Mid-Atlantic is not. I do enjoy a Tidewater accent. I wish I hear up here in Arlington. (You can hear it in southern Maryland south of DC, but not in it's home of Virginia (well, the northern part).)
Culturally speaking, here are my thoughts on "border states":
Maryland above the fall line (with most of the population of the state) is culturally Northern. Maryland below the fall line is culturally Southern, with the exception of a few areas in PG county bordering MoCo.
DC is Northern, but some eastern parts of the city do bear similarities to Southern MD, which is Southern.
Delaware north of and including Dover is Northern (which holds the vast majority of the state's population). Delaware south of Dover is Southern.
The lower third of Missouri is Southern. The rest of Missouri (with most of the state's population) is Northern.
The upper third of West Virginia is Northern. The rest of WV (where most of the population resides) is Southern.
Kentucky is entirely Southern apart from the Cincinnati suburbs.
Oklahoma is complicated. All I can say is that Oklahoma City and Tulsa are strongly Northern influenced, but south and west of the line between the cities are Southern. Not sure about population.
Virginia is mostly extremely Southern, but NoVA is much different from the rest of the state and I'd consider it Northern.
These are from both my own experiences and research. Obviously they're not perfect, but it's something.
Southern: All states south of the Ohio and Potomac Rivers, plue Indiana.
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