Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Grief and Mourning
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-12-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: State of Being
35,879 posts, read 77,506,170 times
Reputation: 22753

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly237 View Post
This is a time where people that are not self centered recognize that it's not about them...

You go, give support, see if there are needs and tell the family how much that person meant to you..

After my husband passed away I had friends that I considered close that never called or checked at all...
Extremely hurtful..
I am sorry that you felt hurt because you were not recognized by people you felt should have stepped up . . . but I do not think that is any reason to label others as self-centered or to demonize them as awful people.

Maybe they simply were not as close as you had imagined them to be.

Or maybe they felt awkward.

It isn't helpful to one's personal grieving process to nurse animosity over who did and didn't send flowers or show up with a casserole.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-12-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: State of Being
35,879 posts, read 77,506,170 times
Reputation: 22753
Quote:
Originally Posted by CArizona View Post
Everyone in my family is "gone" now. (Including my husband and "kids.") I've been through the "death experience" way too many times!...I didn't hear from everybody after each death.. I didn't hear from all of my parents' friends, or my sons' friends, or my husband's friends or co-workers, or distant relatives, etc...In the end, I decided to make it "okay." ("Okay" that I didn't hear from everyone.)...I realized that some people just don't know what to "say" or "do" when it comes to grief. And in my case, this "realization" helped me.
Exactly. It doesn't help deal with one's own terrible losses to focus on being disappointed with how others did or didn't react.

People are going to disappoint us throughout our lives. I am sure I have disappointed others at times when I had no idea I was even expected (by them) to "do something." One way to put off the grieving process is to divert our attention from coming to terms with our own loss by focusing on how we feel others should be reacting. You have been very wise to assume the best, let any disappointment "go" -- and focus on accepting that in the big picture -- these things are not what really matter.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:29 AM
 
8,583 posts, read 16,014,164 times
Reputation: 11355
Quote:
Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post

Or maybe they felt awkward.
My point exactly..

Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly237 View Post
This is a time where people that are not self centered recognize that it's not about them...
Times like these helps you realize who your real friends are ..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:31 AM
 
8,583 posts, read 16,014,164 times
Reputation: 11355
Quote:
Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post

It isn't helpful to one's personal grieving process to nurse animosity over who did and didn't send flowers or show up with a casserole.
It's not about flowers or casseroles, but someone who does not call or check at all when you are in crisis
is not a true friend..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-13-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: State of Being
35,879 posts, read 77,506,170 times
Reputation: 22753
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly237 View Post
It's not about flowers or casseroles, but someone who does not call or check at all when you are in crisis
is not a true friend..
This is what I was trying to get to . . . if they are not there for you, then they were never more than casual friends/acquaintances.

I know this is not the best comparison, as losing one's spouse is such a devastating experience . . . but I am reminded of "friends" I thought my hubby and I were so close to - we had spent many many hours together attending events, eating out, going to ballgames, in and out of each other's homes . . . yet the minute he lost his executive job (downsizing) . . . everyone disappeared. Then I realized - omg - we had met all of them through his work (attorneys, CPAs, other execs in the field) . . . and what they had been interested in were the good times, the freebie tickets, the organized events . . . and not really US. Even though that is not the same as when a spouse dies, the feeling of abandonment and the AH HA moment of realization that they never really were "true friends" is similar.

Yes, you find out who is really a friend and who isn't when tragedy strikes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-13-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
14,776 posts, read 8,112,224 times
Reputation: 25162
Quote:
Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post
Exactly. It doesn't help deal with one's own terrible losses to focus on being disappointed with how others did or didn't react.

People are going to disappoint us throughout our lives. I am sure I have disappointed others at times when I had no idea I was even expected (by them) to "do something." One way to put off the grieving process is to divert our attention from coming to terms with our own loss by focusing on how we feel others should be reacting. You have been very wise to assume the best, let any disappointment "go" -- and focus on accepting that in the big picture -- these things are not what really matter.

It was very unthoughtful of them. But, it's best for your mental health (at least for me) is too forgive and let go...who knows why they did what they did or didn't do, lots of times there are reasons or circumstances, beyond our knowledge, and it's best to not dwell on it too much. It doesn't mean that they didn't love or care about the deceased. (I have missed a couple of funerals that I would have given the world to be at, but things way beyond my grasp came into play, and it was impossible for me to get there...I still grieved and cried though).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-13-2013, 12:24 PM
 
8,583 posts, read 16,014,164 times
Reputation: 11355
There are 2 sides afterwards...

1) For my mental health it's best to forgive, but that doesn't mean that I continue to trust those people
as friends...

2) let people know how devastating it is at a very hard time anyway, in order to help people understand that it does matter ....


ps..not being able to attend a service is not the issue...My dearest cousin was so upset that she was out of town and let me know in a million ways that next year that she was there for me...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-14-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
4,164 posts, read 6,317,420 times
Reputation: 3564
Quote:
Originally Posted by tamiznluv View Post
Atta girl, CA.
Thanks...I had a "wake-up call" early in life when my Grandpa died. (I was 6 at the time.)...As a kid, I expected all of the adults around me to "know" how to handle grief. (Relatives and family friends.)...But sadly, this wasn't always the case. Everyone didn't know what to "say" or "do."...Too bad we don't learn how to deal with grief in school. (Along with math and spelling and geography, etc.)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-14-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
4,164 posts, read 6,317,420 times
Reputation: 3564
Quote:
Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post
Exactly. It doesn't help deal with one's own terrible losses to focus on being disappointed with how others did or didn't react.

People are going to disappoint us throughout our lives. I am sure I have disappointed others at times when I had no idea I was even expected (by them) to "do something." One way to put off the grieving process is to divert our attention from coming to terms with our own loss by focusing on how we feel others should be reacting. You have been very wise to assume the best, let any disappointment "go" -- and focus on accepting that in the big picture -- these things are not what really matter.
I agree...Good post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-15-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
4,164 posts, read 6,317,420 times
Reputation: 3564
Quote:
Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post
This is what I was trying to get to . . . if they are not there for you, then they were never more than casual friends/acquaintances.

I know this is not the best comparison, as losing one's spouse is such a devastating experience . . . but I am reminded of "friends" I thought my hubby and I were so close to - we had spent many many hours together attending events, eating out, going to ballgames, in and out of each other's homes . . . yet the minute he lost his executive job (downsizing) . . . everyone disappeared. Then I realized - omg - we had met all of them through his work (attorneys, CPAs, other execs in the field) . . . and what they had been interested in were the good times, the freebie tickets, the organized events . . . and not really US. Even though that is not the same as when a spouse dies, the feeling of abandonment and the AH HA moment of realization that they never really were "true friends" is similar.

Yes, you find out who is really a friend and who isn't when tragedy strikes.
Sorry that some of your (supposed) friends "bailed-out."...I think my situation might trigger "guilt" in some of my friends (at times) since they still have families...I don't want anyone to feel "guilty." And I don't want pity...When friends call, I don't want to be a "downer." But they know my situation and I'm not like their other friends who still have families "left." And this puts me in a whole other "category!" (Even though I try to be "upbeat" and I'm interested in their lives, and their families, etc.)...Maybe I serve as an example of their "worst fears." (Losing their husband and kids and being totally "all alone" in the world. Or dying themselves or ?) I'm not sure.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Grief and Mourning

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:01 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top