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Old 03-02-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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[quote=twiggy;18104789]The biggest issue with supporters of anything is handling change. It's hard to be the minority in any issue. Things change, what is illegal today could be perfectly legal tomorrow. So playing the "it's illegal" card today is irrelevant to people who see the law changing like me.
Like I said previously, people can smoke pot now and the government can legally harass me as a terrorist for no reason, pat me down in private places at the airport.
I see, so it's ok to disobey laws BEFORE or IF they are changed?

People can walk into a bar with a concealed weapon in my state today where as last year they couldn't. They can bring their kids to school with a loaded weapon in their pocket. Disturbs me yes, but that is what happens when the majority lets it happen. Laws change all the time, they aren't written in stone.
Enough people ***** and they change like the wind.

See above.

You pro 1070's people against illegal immigration are going to have to come up with more than the "it's illegal" crap as well. People will be changing that if thats the only reason you can come up with. Stick to the reasons they shouldn't be here legally, then you might have some interest.

Good luck with that. The majority of Americans want our immigraton laws respected and enforced and that isn't going to change. We already have quotas for legal immigration that best suits the interests of this country and that is why illegals are an excess that we don't need and shouldn't therefore be able to come here legally either.

They commit crime? Well, so do Americans, come up with some specifics against the Mexican immigrants or else just forget it. It's not convincing enough.

Yes, we have enough home grown criminals of our own to deal with. We don't need to add illegals to the mix of our crime stats. It doesn't matter if they are Mexican or not. I knew the race card would pop up with you.

There are 50000 illegal Irish people here and they don't come through Mexico to get here, Chinese people, and every other illegal immigrant you can think of. Why don't you want them to have amnesty? Be specific, be clear. Just cuz it's illegal right now won't cut it, we could make it legal tomorrow.

See above again. We already have quotas for legal immigration that best suits our needs. Therefore there is no reason to amnesty any illegals regardless of what race or nationality they are. We don't need them.

You have to be specific in your needs or it just sounds like your crying about the change thats taking place. You are hard to take seriously.
Right now you all just look like you're into the latest political craze, and when the next one comes along you'll jump on it. It's not like there aren't productive things you could be doing personally against it if you wanted too. Come up with something new for God sake. At least some new lines, those old ones obviously don't work, no law is coming as far as I can see as a matter of fact its support seems to be dwindling as of late.

The spesifics of why we don't want them legalized have been posted in here over and over. 1. We don't need them. They are an excess above our quotas that best suit our needs. 2. We should never reward lawbreakers. 3. Population growth, jobs, resources,etc. are another consideration as to how many immigrants we can take in. Those things have already been taken into account by our annual quotas. Speaking of old lines.....look in the mirror. This is no political craze. Illegal immigration has been growing and it is at critical mass now and negatively impacting Americans more and more every day. I can't think of anything more productive then to save our country's future. Evidently you aren't keeping up on the numerous bills being presented in just about every state to deter illegal immigration or you would know there is continuing support more and more of ending illegal immigration.

I don't care enough either way to make it worth my time to boycott businesses or picket the farmers or construction sites but someone on your side is going to have to soon or you will be looking at "legal workers coming over that border" in no time. Then what are you going to do?

You don't care either way? Yeah, right. I can tell from your posts, lol. Legal workers are already coming over the border. They are called visas. Is that a new concept to you?
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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I am glad they are fining employers but why don't they deport?
Per orders of Obama and Homeland Security unless they have a criminal background. You didn't know that?
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:07 PM
 
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^^ tldr
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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Because I don't actually consider it a "small minority". The words "small" and "minority" were your definitions of (I guess) the same group of people we probably percieve differently.
What? A minority means a small segment of an entire group. You even said that this minority were yelling the loudest. Backpeddling now, are we?
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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What? A minority means a small segment of an entire group. You even said that this minority were yelling the loudest. Backpeddling now, are we?
Save it man.

Like I said to begin w/ this ain't my fight, you can have it.

But I'd suggest actually doing something constructive about it in the real world besides ranting all over the internet all day & night to people like me who don't give a sh**.

Take that attitude to the streets man, if it's what you're truly passionate about. Rally it up, dog!

The only thing it's gonna do here is get you all pissy or a couple new reps from someone else who might agree.

Bravo!
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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I am glad they are fining employers but why don't they deport?
The majority of those caught in the Howard industries raids WERE deported.........but that was back in '08 before the touchy feely warm and fuzzy edict was given out to ICE to "concentrate" on violent criminal illegals.

Nowadays it seems that ICE just has a "catch and release" program going on.
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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Some things are a given even though not spoken. If illegal immigration is being called a non-issue by some it is merely hiding behind one's true advocacy for it. We've seen it far too many times in here.
To me you are still putting words on the OP. You heard what you wanted to hear. The OP was very clear, he simply does not rate the issue as high as other people do, take care.
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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To me you are still putting words on the OP. You heard what you wanted to hear. The OP was very clear, he simply does not rate the issue as high as other people do, take care.
No, after being in this forum for awhile myself and others have been able to read between the lines with these people. After a few of their posts there is no doubt what they really stand for.
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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Save it man.

Like I said to begin w/ this ain't my fight, you can have it.

But I'd suggest actually doing something constructive about it in the real world besides ranting all over the internet all day & night to people like me who don't give a sh**.

Take that attitude to the streets man, if it's what you're truly passionate about. Rally it up, dog!

The only thing it's gonna do here is get you all pissy or a couple new reps from someone else who might agree.

Bravo!
Do you live in a bubble? We anti-illegals have done much, much more than just rant in forums about this mess. Curious to know why you don't give sh** about the laws of this country and the negative impact illegal immigration has had on this country. Do you have relatives or friends here illegally?

If this issue means nothing to you then why are you posting in an illegal immigration forum and complaining about a minority of Americans opposed to illegal immigration that you deam as racist?
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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I don't see how illegal immigration CANNOT be part of someone's "top 10" concerns with America?

What are your top 10 concerns?

Is it environmentalism? Illegal immigration adds to overpopulation, thwarts controlled growth initiatives and causes speedier resource depletion and increased strain on the environment.

Is it education? Illegal immigrants dropping anchor babies or bringing foreign born children to the US strains US education resources that should go to Americans and legal immigrants.

Is it crime? Any addition of crime by illegal immigrants exacerbates any fears of crime. Also, HUGE percentages of both gang membership AND the US prison population is comprised of illegal immigrants.

Is it unemployment and employment? Try asking someone who worked construction for a livable wage in the 1980s if they can compete with guys willing to work for minimum wage because they live 10 to a house?

Is it healthcare? Try speaking with hospital execs who see millions in "free" healthcare afforded to illegals by law.


Really, illegal immigration exacerbates so many existing problems, it's kinda like saying, "well, there's already a leak in the roof in the kitchen, so we don't have to worry about the gaping hole that just formed in the living room ceiling."
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