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Old 07-03-2008, 06:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
Maybe one who knowingly aids and abets illegal immigrants should be ashamed as well------and, help turn 'em in.

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Why don't you ask ICE if it is not considered Humanitarian aid???
It is not my responsibility to turn them in, that is what we have the border patrol for.

 
Old 07-03-2008, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Why don't you ask ICE if it is not considered Humanitarian aid???
It is not my responsibility to turn them in, that is what we have the border patrol for.
If witnessing an illegal act------it is our responsibility to at least notify the authorities.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 06:26 PM
 
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If witnessing an illegal act------it is our responsibility to at least notify the authorities.
You can make it your responsibility if you wish.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 06:42 PM
 
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How humanitarian is illegals bringing in drugs - people OD on them, some of them are bad and kill people, others just have their and their family's lives ruined (yes they bear some responsibility for buying and taking them).
 
Old 07-03-2008, 06:51 PM
 
Location: California
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How humanitarian is illegals bringing in drugs - people OD on them, some of them are bad and kill people, others just have their and their family's lives ruined (yes they bear some responsibility for buying and taking them).
Some responsibility? Ive been surrounded by drugs my whole life and never even tried any. Nobody's sticking a needle in thier arm or a pipe in their mouth.
Its up to people to avoid them, or to find help to get off of them.

It's not illegals fault America has a had a drug problem since the 60s or so.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 06:55 PM
 
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The border patrol on the southern border of Arizona has NO problem with giving humanitarian aid such as food and water, maybe not all border patrol agents give a hoot about "illegals" but thank God many do.
And frankly no one feels ashamed of themselves, but the ones that could care less if they live or die should feel ashamed. The more hate that is poured out toward "illegals" more and more people are coming to their defence.
Do you understand that IF these water stations were not there (and marked on maps handed out to future invaders in Mexico) MAYBE this would deter some of them from crossing? Knowing that there was NO WATER for a long distance might make a few of them rethink their plans to cross the desert in July. The simple idea that there will be water stations in the desert probably contributes to more unprepared people who do not know what they are doing heading off into inhospitable terrain than would otherwise do so. If the lure of these water stations leads illegal aliens to believe the trip will not be that difficult and they end up dying of dehydration/heatstroke before they reach a water station, then as far as I am concerned the people who put those tanks out in the desert are just as guilty as anyone else you care to blame.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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The border patrol on the southern border of Arizona has NO problem with giving humanitarian aid such as food and water, maybe not all border patrol agents give a hoot about "illegals" but thank God many do.
And frankly no one feels ashamed of themselves, but the ones that could care less if they live or die should feel ashamed. The more hate that is poured out toward "illegals" more and more people are coming to their defence.
My family has indeed gone to Mexico and rendered aid, gathered clothing, taken funds, helped build homes and churches, IN MEXICO for the citizens THERE. My family has also hired LEGAL immigrants who are in Texas needing work, however I would NEVER aid someone breaking the law.

I would call and report anyone who was breaking the law, not just illegal immigrants.
Its very sad that some people think no more of their own country then to go out of their way to damage it and aid those that break our laws.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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My family has indeed gone to Mexico and rendered aid, gathered clothing, taken funds, helped build homes and churches, IN MEXICO for the citizens THERE. My family has also hired LEGAL immigrants who are in Texas needing work, however I would NEVER aid someone breaking the law.

I would call and report anyone who was breaking the law, not just illegal immigrants.
Its very sad that some people think no more of their own country then to go out of their way to damage it and aid those that break our laws.
Trust me: the enablers tend to get caught/punished.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 07:48 PM
 
Location: California
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Do you understand that IF these water stations were not there (and marked on maps handed out to future invaders in Mexico) MAYBE this would deter some of them from crossing? Knowing that there was NO WATER for a long distance might make a few of them rethink their plans to cross the desert in July. The simple idea that there will be water stations in the desert probably contributes to more unprepared people who do not know what they are doing heading off into inhospitable terrain than would otherwise do so. If the lure of these water stations leads illegal aliens to believe the trip will not be that difficult and they end up dying of dehydration/heatstroke before they reach a water station, then as far as I am concerned the people who put those tanks out in the desert are just as guilty as anyone else you care to blame.
Fact is, most of them are paying someone to get to America, with not too much knowledge of whats actually on the other side of the border.
Many of them pay a coyote that says they are going to bring them to America.
Next you know theyre facing a vast desert. He basically tells them, walk down their for a few miles and you'll get America.
So the coyote takes off with his cash, and the people start walking. A few miles might actually be 50 miles, or even more.
They get disoriented from the heat, but they keep pushing. At this point theres no going back. Theyre not sure if they'll ever find shade or city.
Many of them pass out, and lie there to burn in the Sun.
When their bodies are found, if they are ever found(many are not), they are already blackened dry husks of bodies littering the desert floor.

These aren't the gangbangers, or the rapists you read about. These are PEOPLE. Men, Women, CHILDREN. HUMAN LIVES.

Providing emergency water stashes is not aiding and abetting the act of illegal immigration, but an act of humanitarian aid for those who are ignorant to what they are walking into, or just want to be in America that bad where they are risking thier very lives.

Its just water people! Its not a taxi service to the nearest Home Depot, not a pair of hiking boots and compass, not a mall type directory, its WATER. The most basic necessity to live.

Even the Border Patrol will save or help immigrants when thier mission is clearly to help them out.

Border Patrol can be like the anti-illegal immigrant crowd.

Theres the kind that know they have a job, but are very humane about it. Some agents will risk their lives to save the life of an immigrant, even if he/she is illegal. They are respectful, and actually try to save those who's lives are in danger crossing the deadly terrain. But they don't lose sight of their job. They know they can both be compassionate and do their job at the same time. These agents can be White, Black, Brown, Asian, whatever.

Then theres the other kind. The cowboys. These guys enjoy beating up immigrants just for the hell of it. They degrade the immigrants, ridicule them, rough them up, etc etc. These agents can also be White ,Black, Brown, or Asian.

Don't lose sight of what this post is about. If you have any decency, you should be disgusted by this act of hatred towards illegal immigrants. This act goes beyond the politics of this issue.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 07:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by amc760 View Post
Fact is, most of them are paying someone to get to America, with not too much knowledge of whats actually on the other side of the border.
Many of them pay a coyote that says they are going to bring them to America.
Next you know theyre facing a vast desert. He basically tells them, walk down their for a few miles and you'll get America.
So the coyote takes off with his cash, and the people start walking. A few miles might actually be 50 miles, or even more.
They get disoriented from the heat, but they keep pushing. At this point theres no going back. Theyre not sure if they'll ever find shade or city.
Many of them pass out, and lie there to burn in the Sun.
When their bodies are found, if they are ever found(many are not), they are already blackened dry husks of bodies littering the desert floor.

These aren't the gangbangers, or the rapists you read about. These are PEOPLE. Men, Women, CHILDREN. HUMAN LIVES.

Providing emergency water stashes is not aiding and abetting the act of illegal immigration, but an act of humanitarian aid for those who are ignorant to what they are walking into, or just want to be in America that bad where they are risking thier very lives.

Its just water people! Its not a taxi service to the nearest Home Depot, not a pair of hiking boots and compass, not a mall type directory, its WATER. The most basic necessity to live.

Even the Border Patrol will save or help immigrants when thier mission is clearly to help them out.

Border Patrol can be like the anti-illegal immigrant crowd.

Theres the kind that know they have a job, but are very humane about it. Some agents will risk their lives to save the life of an immigrant, even if he/she is illegal. They are respectful, and actually try to save those who's lives are in danger crossing the deadly terrain. But they don't lose sight of their job. They know they can both be compassionate and do their job at the same time. These agents can be White, Black, Brown, Asian, whatever.

Then theres the other kind. The cowboys. These guys enjoy beating up immigrants just for the hell of it. They degrade the immigrants, ridicule them, rough them up, etc etc. These agents can also be White ,Black, Brown, or Asian.

Don't lose sight of what this post is about. If you have any decency, you should be disgusted by this act of hatred towards illegal immigrants. This act goes beyond the politics of this issue.
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