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It seems you're also a victim of lies spread over Islam yourself.
Islam did Not spread by sword, this is a Lie. Moslims were attacked first by the roman empire.
Moslims did not kill civilian Christians, nor they ever forced anyone to be a moslim.
They did not burn churches or kill half of Christians in the middle east, this is a Lie.
Christians live very peacefully here, it seems that you and your friends are terrified of an illusion in your mind.
It seems it's useless to continue debating with you,
What is so called radical Islam, if you're talking about persons who kill innocents, they are very few minority (few hundreds), they emerged from the political problems in the middle east, they are fought and hunted in moslim countries as well as western countries,
Radical Christians have killed millions of their own and of other religions through history, while so called radical moslims have killed about 3700 in whole decade, and they then were and are hunted over the world by moslim and non moslim courtiers, in comparison of killing thousand of innocent civilian moslims in Palestine every year, hundreds of thousands in Iraq by the inhuman sanction and war, etc.
I hate any one who kill innocents regardless of his religion, this is the normal feeling of any human being, moslim or non moslim
Again read this conversation, to see how radical Islam is over exaggerated with no reason.
Does 'Fitna' show real face of Islam? (Film by Dutch politician Geert Wilders) - Political Forum - US & World Political Discussion Forums (http://www.politicsforumpoliticalworld.com/religion-philosophy-political-philosophy/12204-does-fitna-show-real-face-islam-film-dutch-politician-geert-wilders.html - broken link)
Note: I'm not expecting you to change you opinion, just Stop telling Lies about moslims.
All fanatics have killed no doubt, but to say radical Islam has only killed 3700 in the last decade is not accurate, it is more like tens of thousands.
In Iraq alone hundreds of thousands have died, Shia against Sunni.
All fanatics have killed no doubt, but to say radical Islam has only killed 3700 in the last decade is not accurate, it is more like tens of thousands.
In Iraq alone hundreds of thousands have died, Shia against Sunni.
godspeed,
freedom
I was talking about the so called radical moslims who attack the West, and as I said they are very few minority (few hundreds), they emerged from the political problems in the middle east, they are fought and hunted in moslim countries as well as western countries,
In Iraq it's a political issue bet. Iraqi sunni and shias, religion is misused for political purposes, sad to say that violence is and was the norm in Iraq for some decades now, It's more political than religious.
Shias and sunnis live normally in other moslim countries, their differences do not emerge to killing as in Iraq
Note: The diff. bet suunis and shias (normal shias) is not in the basics of Islam, it's on historical events, i intend to illustrate it in detail afterwards by God willing.
Any so called imam who say this nonsense is a criminal who should be imprisoned for life till he repent from the sin of lying over God, and clearly undo his wrong speech.
The holy Quran orders the moslim to be kind to any one a believer or non believer.
And in war it clearly specifies soldiers (who fight) and forbids hurting any civilian, this is also confirmed by the life of the prophet (pbuh) and his right traditions.
Evil men who wants to lie over God are easy to recognize, that's why they always choose stupid uneducated youth to fill their heads with fakes and lies.
I'll give you an obvious example, when you take a verse that is clearly on soldiers in war, then say it without even referring to the very verse before it.
Here are verses talking about war in the holy Quran from surah 2, verses 190 to 193, Please read them well.
190 - Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.
191 - And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the sacred mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
192 - But if they cease, God is most forgiving, most merciful.
193 - And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Now what a liar over God will do is saying verse no. 191 alone, an thus lying over God in a dreadful way.
An example, a commander write to another officer in an army, (kill only who fights you, do not kill any other) and he reads only Kill.
It needs a liar and a stupid uneducated person to follow him.
Thank you Mahmoud Mrt....
What you wrote really clarifies this, and I am sorry to say that there are evil people in all religions that pervert Gods word to justify evil behavior.
I was interested that you wrote that these people are hunted down in Muslim countries......What is the average Muslims view on Al Quada and Jihad in general?
If you are implying I'm personally attacking anyone.. I'm not. There are a few bible bouncers out there who think they can play with snakes and be protected from their venom by God. Enough of these people have died from snake bites that we can call them crazy just by using common sense.. nothing malicious.
Radical Islam, those who live in caves and treat women like dogs and publicly state that anyone not Muslim is the enemy, are living in a barbaric society. Again, nothing malicious, that is common sense to anyone with 2 or more brain cells.
Again, I'll take the crazy fringe christians who play with snakes and preach love and acceptance over radical islamists who preach hatred and death.
I'm not implying that you're personally attacking.
I'm implying that what you call in your definition radical moslims are a very few minority, few hundreds, who are hunted all over the world by moslim and non moslim countries.
Simple, Declaring the there is no God Except God the one the only one, and that mohamed (pbuh) is his salve and prophet.
There are then the rest of the five pillars, this is bet. you and God.
Prayer, 5 times a day, each one takes app. from 5 to 10 minutes.
Fasting the days of the month of Ramadan.
Giving the obligatory charity to the poor and other categories including in the prophet's time freeing the slaves, (For money it's 2.5 percent of money that had passed a year). (Note: there is an opinion that this charity should be collected by the moslim country from its moslim citizens instead of Taxes, just to note it out)
Making pilgrimage if you can afford it physically and money wise, at least one time.
I don't mean that literally, but what will happen when Islam is a majority religion, and Christianity is only second in command? The more progessive Christians become the more dominant Muslims seem to be. I would have no concern about a growing Muslim religion in the world if they respected American law and came to live American lives. Instead, many, but not all, are brining with them the traditions from their home countries. With that also comes a firm belief that Islam should be the law of the land, a place where other religions are not respected and kept separate.
Is it right to fear the spread of Islam in America? I believe we need to stand strong and firm in our belief that America, regardless the faults, is a nation of secular law, where no one religion can be the supreme law of the land.
here we dont have enforcement, there they do.
that is the difference.
they got religious cops.
oppression is the opposite of freedom.
but lawlessness is the opposite of law abiding society.
Are all people from the Netherlands as ignorant as you? It's people like you that are causing the eventual collapse of Europe. It's a real shame. It's such a pretty part of the world.
When you believe that all the Dutch are ignorant because of 1 Dutch guy, it is you that is ignorant.
Originally Posted by camping!
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The FDLS is a cult, and is only a small percentage of actual Christianity.
Your point is what? That the FDLS are a cult therefore cannot be Christians?
Even the Christians started out as a cult.
BTW every religion started as a small cult.
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Everybody thinks of them as a cult, as wrong, and certainly not a real religion. However, radical Islam is substantially a part of Islam, muslims do not reject them as anything less then legitimate and that, dear, is the difference.
As far as killing for money and power......yeah, that doesn't exist in the muslim world, now does it?
The thing is that the Muslim are just as bad and / or good as Christianity.
I see no difference between a Muslim fundamentalist or a Christian fundamentalist; they both are about subjecting the women to the men (just like before the Dark Ages).
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When you believe that all the Dutch are ignorant because of 1 Dutch guy, it is you that is ignorant.
That the FDLS are a cult therefore cannot be Christians?
they both are about subjecting the women to the men (just like before the Dark Ages).
