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The difference in beliefs as never been "Is murder wrong" The debate has alwways been, " At what point is a fetus considered a living Human Being?" Most Pro-life believe at conception and most Pro-choice believe when the baby is viable. If we belief that it is a human being at conception then that means we belive it is murder. Do you fight against murder? Of course you do. You just fight for a person who is living and breathing on the outside. We are fighting for a living and breathing human being on the inside. We do not believe it is a matter of choice like you all do we believe it is murder. So we do not see that we are pushing our beliefs on anyone.
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Originally Posted by burdell
YOU were the one who brought up personal responsibility.
Are you aware that many women/men take personal responsibilty and use contraception? That's fact.
Are you aware that no method of contraception other than abstinence is 100% effective? That's fact.
Whether you happen to like it or not it's a fact that people have sex with no intent/desire to make a baby and they take precautions.
It's a fact that in the real world those precautions sometimes fail.
Are you aware of any of those facts?
Sure I am aware but sex makes babies and people should take the personal responsibility for a pregnancy if their sex results in a baby. The sex organs in both humans and animals are there for procreation and people get surprised if that occurs? Oops! let's kill it. Abortion has gotten way out of control to the point that children are having sex without regard that they may get stuck having a baby. The pro-abortion lovers even want to take children across state lines to have abortions without parental consent.
burdell have you had children? Are you even a woman? Are you in a relationship that can even produce a child (gay, infertile, hysterectomy)? What is your personal interest and why?
The difference in beliefs as never been "Is murder wrong" The debate has alwways been, " At what point is a fetus considered a living Human Being?" Most Pro-life believe at conception and most Pro-choice believe when the baby is viable. If we belief that it is a human being at conception then that means we belive it is murder. Do you fight against murder? Of course you do. You just fight for a person who is living and breathing on the outside. We are fighting for a living and breathing human being on the inside. We do not believe it is a matter of choice like you all do we believe it is murder. So we do not see that we are pushing our beliefs on anyone.
Really? Are the people who our troops are killing in Iraq then also being murdered? Does that make the men in our armed forces murderers? Is the man who administers a lethal injection also "murdering"? Or are all the bets off on fighting for lives once we're born?
The difference in beliefs as never been "Is murder wrong" The debate has alwways been, " At what point is a fetus considered a living Human Being?" Most Pro-life believe at conception and most Pro-choice believe when the baby is viable. If we belief that it is a human being at conception then that means we belive it is murder. Do you fight against murder? Of course you do. You just fight for a person who is living and breathing on the outside. We are fighting for a living and breathing human being on the inside. We do not believe it is a matter of choice like you all do we believe it is murder. So we do not see that we are pushing our beliefs on anyone.
Question: Can a person who is charged with murder (in any degree) of a pregnant female, also be charged with murder of the unborn child she is carrying?
Really? Are the people who our troops are killing in Iraq then also being murdered? Does that make the men in our armed forces murderers? Is the man who administers a lethal injection also "murdering"? Or are all the bets off on fighting for lives once we're born?
Now you are being silly. First off lethal injection is administered to people who have been charged with the most heinous crimes. That is for another thread though.( And I do believe in the death penalty). Our troops are in a situation of kill or be killed. Again not relevent. Any other examples?
Are you saying that 30-40 years ago that there wasn't a stigma on un-married pregnant women? That women were being dis-owned or made to go out of state to deliver their babies "So no one would know"?
Your representation of "most women" and my questioning of that now equates to me refuting that there was ever a stigma on unmarried pregnant women? I wonder if you realize WHOSE rules those women were playing by.
If you really want to know, my beef was with your use of "most women" - first of all, you don't know how many women who had abortions did so because of that specific reason. Secondly, no one appointed you their mouthpiece. Perhaps you should have used "some women" but when you are going to state a preponderance I would suggest you cite some unbiased facts to support your statement.
Question: Can a person who is charged with murder (in any degree) of a pregnant female, also be charged with murder of the unborn child she is carrying?
Now you are being silly. First off lethal injection is administered to people who have been charged with the most heinous crimes. That is for another thread though.( And I do believe in the death penalty). Our troops are in a situation of kill or be killed. Again not relevent. Any other examples?
How am I being silly? Those were serious questions, and valid. Our troops are in a situation of being involved in a preemptive attack, under the command of another. They are not defending themselves, they are the aggressors. If you believe in the death penalty, how do you resolve that with your belief that an embryo has a right to live, come hell or high water?
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