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Bunch of excuses but "lazy" is the operative word.
You have to work hard to succeed in the US. Always have.
No, these are reasons. You're getting emotional and confusing the term. Make no mistake: if I wanted to leave, I would. I could financially. I'm simply making a rational decision.
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Did you have a job when you "lived abroad"? Did you see 50% + of your paycheck turned over to the government so your neighbor without a job could live just as nicely as you did? Or were you too busy using your parents money, earned in America, to see the sights every chance you had?
My parents gave me like 400 bucks for books freshman year. Everything else in life I have earned myself. I did work abroad. This is all irrelevant, but if you want to go there, I will.
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When a 20-something has anything to say about politics, the country s/he lives in, the economy, etc.,....nobody with any life experience really cares.
Dismiss me because of my age? I'm fairly wealthy, but I wouldn't dismiss you if you were poor.
Which I guess is probably why I'm well off. Throwing it out there.
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This is why liberals are not Americans, as they believe the drivel above-
Nope. I voted in the last election, too. 100 percent American.
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1. Liberals are godless. I would assume the "Jewish zombie" you were referring to is God. Liberals consider themselves enlightened by atheism. I would counter that the most intellectually gifted men I have encountered in science and medicine were not atheists.
Very poor, yet common, argument. Most people throughout history played the Jesus card because they were forced to at gunpoint. Social castigation was the penalty of non-belief. Considering this, it's pretty astounding how many great men had the courage to privately voice their disbelief in their memoirs. Jefferson comes to mind. Further, these are times before the advances in science that calls for all half-educated people to dismiss religion as a falsehood, so it's really moot. Believing in invisible Jew Zombies is somewhat rational when you didn't understand germ theory, for example. Incidentally, it's still rational if you don't have access to good science in 2010, which you suggest you are a victim of. Pathetically intellectually and morally lazy, but understandable in some ways.
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2. Liberal are anti-military. Assuming that soldiers do not understand the reason they are fighting for our republic is a reflection of typical liberal arrogance in which the liberal assumes himself superior to all other citizens (this is why libs love fascist dictators) and that only they have the knowledge to choose what is right for everyone else. This is exactly the mentality we fought against when America established the republic and defeated a "fostering" colonial power.
You're literally quoting from a Coulter book, aren't you?
You didn't actually say anything concrete, just personal jabs. To address your main beef, yes, I do believe most soldiers haven't a 101 understanding of why they are fighting, and that even if they did, they wouldn't care anyway. They are murder-for-hire, no questions asked. Indeed, asking questions gets you sent to prison in the military. It's an immoral profession in its current context.
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3. Liberals feel the right to dictate the conduct of other people's lives, while not being able to run thier own lives.
This is wrong, also. Liberals make more money, take less in government hand-outs, and are vastly more educated than conservatives. This is a fact, unless you think the leeeebrals are running the polling stations as well. I'll certainly source all this upon request.
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One in seven people on anti-depressants? What do you suggest? Take them all off medicines that a physician prescribed and discussed with the patient? Do you realize that anti-depressants are used not only for depression, but also many pain states as well? Should they be switched to narcotics in your esteemed medical opinion. Idiots should not discuss issues in which they are completely ignorant.
You missed the point. The reason this was mentioned was to highlight the falseness which is entrenched into the psyche of many Americans. They have everything our Capitalistic Culture worships-money, technology, Kodak moments with the rug-rats- yet still can't find happiness. The implication is that something might be intrinsically wrong here. Every society that put self-interest above the common good has failed. This will be no different. We're working on it, though, while still utilizing the (amended) capitalist model.
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4. Sun revolving around the earth? Blame the liberal infested, teacher's union oriented, public school system. "Educating" children about gay marriage and ethnic minorities has become the mission of the public school system, while math, the english language, and science are ignored. Scrap the public school system and you will test scores on the rise again.
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LOL, naturally, gotta be the libs and the gayyyys!!! Couldn't be the fact that the dumbest sector of society-conservatives in the south- want to retard science and teach creationism(non-science akin to astrology) in high schools as though it is intellectually on par with physics and biology.
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Hey- if you and the libs don't like the US, PLEASE leave. You are the reason the country is on the decline. Libs don't understand this at all, which is somewhat amusing. For example, New York, New Jersey, and large metro east coast cities are dumps infested with liberals. Oddly, many liberals eventually realize this and seek to move to other areas of the country, which are routinely derided by them. The lib does not realize that there is nothing inherently wrong with the earth under thier feet in the east coast cities-THEY are the problem, not the city. When they flee the cities, they take THEMSELVES with them. To paraphrase an old song, "You see no matter what you do, you can never run away from you". Do the country a favor and engage in mass liberal suicide.
The level of stupidity, ignorance and random anger is really unapproachable since you didn't make a concrete point. I sense a vague defense of living in the country, I guess? I'll just drop this here, and remind you that 2012 is looking great for Obama(thankfully):
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Jefferson
Anyone who doesn't like America or Americans needs to leave. We won't ask questions, and we won't miss you. Hopefully, you will wind up somewhere people will actually listen to your whining. I doubt it; you will probably wind up in a country that actually doesn't believe in free speech, and when you start spouting off they will put you in jail. Once again, I hope that you get out quick before it is too late. I am sure the government has nothing better to do than watch you...so run.
Wow you are surprised Americans have human foibles? That's weird, I don' think anyone claimed we were super human. I bet if you dug deep enough you may even find an imperfection in yourself. Nah, you are perferct just the way you are!
And yet I still get entangled in political arguments for their own sake. I believe the masses deserve their misery. My favorite (abbreviated)greatest hits list:
A literal majority of Americans believe an invisible Jewish Zombie suspended the laws of physics and created the world in about a week. This is with the internet(free education), public library's(free education), and so on.
1 on 7 Americans are on antidepressants. Yes: we live in the greatest age in human history(if lack of sectarian violence, increased technology etc mean anything to you). Really digest that: 1 in 7 people are so utterly miserable that they lent themselves to a doctor(whom they don't know)to prescribe a drug(which they don't understand) to allow them to wake up in the morning without wanting to end it all.
1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth.
The majority enjoy calling those willing to kill people they've never met for a cause they don't understand "hero's" for a vague sense of community.
I enjoy watching it all crumble. I suggest you consider the same approach, here and elsewhere.
First of all I think you do care, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this piece. People who truly don't care don't bother wasting their time seeking out others to tell them how little they care.
You get "entangled" in "these" political discussion? I think you seek them out, you wish to entangle yourself in them, it is merely happenstance. Again, because you do, you obviously care or you wouldn't bother, even to just amuse yourself.
When you say you enjoy watching it all crumble you are again asserting that you care enough about it to derive pleasure from its failure, to me this denotes some attachment. Now you may hate the system that you claim is crumbling, but hate is as much of an emotional attachment as love of something, otherwise again, you wouldn't bother if you truly didn't care.
Then by hating the system you enjoy watching crumble, you afford yourself a cop out to doing anything about it. What is it you would plan to do in this future world of a failed system, build a new system or a better one according to your views? If so, then why wait, why not commit yourself to the creation of this better future now instead of giving yourself the excuse to sit on the couch waiting for it to fail?
I've lived abroad for 2 of my 24 years. I could go over the pluses and minuses tick-for-tack, but it misses the point.
When making a defense of a "side," it's not considered a "rebuttal" to simply say "well they suck, too!"
Wow- 24! You are wise and learned (i.e. a young twit)
I would not expect a diseased liberal mind to understand why citizen soldiers would go overseas and risk thier lives for their country, nor would I expect the liberal mind to understand the concecpts of liberty that these soliders clearly understand.
Freedom is not easy, and is not for the weak or timid. With freedom comes responsibility and the element of risk associated with personal choice. One can reap the benefits of a free society or fail miserably, depending on effort, education, hard work, and a componant of luck.
Totalitarianism, which the liberal loves, allows cold comfort in exchange for one's personal libert and freedom. Such a system appeals to the frightened, lazy, or uneducated, as there is little risk of failure in this system for an individual, despite little personal effort. The liberal will and does sacrifice thier liberty to the despot for the security blanket of free housing, free food, free education, and free clothing. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and what one also incurs is the shackles of the tyrant's will.
So, my young twit- grow up. Despite not having "lived overseas", I have spent more time overseas in my 50 years than you have in your 24 years and have seen the world. I am old enough not to be snookered by the easy allure of marxism and would rather die poor in the republic than middle class and comfortable under the boot of a tyrant. Someday when you are older you will understand. Now shut up and go to bed!
First of all I think you do care, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this piece. People who truly don't care don't bother wasting their time seeking out others to tell them how little they care.
You get "entangled" in "these" political discussion? I think you seek them out, you wish to entangle yourself in them, it is merely happenstance. Again, because you do, you obviously care or you wouldn't bother, even to just amuse yourself.
It's true, it was in jest. I half-care. The point I'm trying to imply is that it's better to take a back-seat approach. It's better to get less emotional; not better for your own personal health(which it is, but it's incidental) but better for everyone, because it is the recognition of being voiceless.
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When you say you enjoy watching it all crumble you are again asserting that you care enough about it to derive pleasure from its failure, to me this denotes some attachment. Now you may hate the system that you claim is crumbling, but hate is as much of an emotional attachment as love of something, otherwise again, you wouldn't bother if you truly didn't care.
This is all true. Except that there is a little nuance; I do take some superficial pleasure out of watching the dumbest and loudest around me fail resoundingly. It's not pretty, it's a personality flaw for sure. But it exists.
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Then by hating the system you enjoy watching crumble, you afford yourself a cop out to doing anything about it. What is it you would plan to do in this future world of a failed system, build a new system or a better one according to your views? If so, then why wait, why not commit yourself to the creation of this better future now instead of giving yourself the excuse to sit on the couch waiting for it to fail?
I appreciate your post, but to give an honest and thoughtful answer to your question would require a 20 page thesis. At least. As I'm sure would be the case for all of us. I mean, the "you're in charge, now create a more perfect union question" is like asking a physicist to explain quantum theory.
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Wow- 24! You are wise and learned (i.e. a young twit)
I would not expect a diseased liberal mind to understand why citizen soldiers would go overseas and risk thier lives for their country, nor would I expect the liberal mind to understand the concecpts of liberty that these soliders clearly understand.
Freedom is not easy, and is not for the weak or timid. With freedom comes responsibility and the element of risk associated with personal choice. One can reap the benefits of a free society or fail miserably, depending on effort, education, hard work, and a componant of luck.
Totalitarianism, which the liberal loves, allows cold comfort in exchange for one's personal libert and freedom. Such a system appeals to the frightened, lazy, or uneducated, as there is little risk of failure in this system for an individual, despite little personal effort. The liberal will and does sacrifice thier liberty to the despot for the security blanket of free housing, free food, free education, and free clothing. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and what one also incurs is the shackles of the tyrant's will.
So, my young twit- grow up. Despite not having "lived overseas", I have spent more time overseas in my 50 years than you have in your 24 years and have seen the world. I am old enough not to be snookered by the easy allure of marxism and would rather die poor in the republic than middle class and comfortable under the boot of a tyrant. Someday when you are older you will understand. Now shut up and go to bed!
You insulted me a lot personally, implied I don't know anything because I'm young, and implied you know a lot because(naturally) you're not young. A misguided interpretation of relaying totalitarianism with Capitalistic American Liberalism was the only attempt of an argument I could see. I guess if you want to talk about that we can?
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