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Old 08-31-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Just the opposite of what you're trying to say.

Learning to code even today--more than ever--does not take a bachelor's degree.

It took a bachelors decree program (or military training) in 1970 because it had to be done on a mainframe.

Associate's degree and certification will open the door.
Ah, yes. Brings to mind the quote from Good Will Hunting:

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You dropped 150 grand on a f***'n education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!
Coding is not Software Engineering.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Supermarkets full of college graduates now? Jeeshh...
Shows just how watered down the college degree has become. Nowadays, almost anyone who can fog a mirror can get one.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I can't understand how a subway conductor earing $21 an hour is making 6 figures...Unless you add in cents.
Benefits? When you add benefits to my salary, it boosts my "earnings" by over $30K! As a public employee my salary is listed on Transparent California, and the difference between my pre-benefit and post-benefit salary even shocked me.

And I don't know if I already answered the OP, but no - I am not disappointed or angered by my degrees and career path. Got my BA in English (lit) from a private liberal arts college, followed by the MLIS from a state college, and have been mostly happy & employed in the library field ever since. Not everyone works in a corporate office setting, so maybe that's where you/OP went wrong? So many options outside of STEM fields and "corporate drone," which too many people seem to forget.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Employer expectations have changed and they have a misunderstanding about the role of higher education. For some reason employers think universities are supposed to provide job training.
No, they don't.

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Then, after all this, employers can't seem to figure out why so many graduates have less than enthusiastic attitudes from applicants when they are offering a salary of $32,000 a year...
Starting salaries in Silicon Valley for fresh-out-of-engineering-school, no-work-experience people are well north of $100K. Many north of $120K.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Benefits? When you add benefits to my salary, it boosts my "earnings" by over $30K! As a public employee, my salary is listed on Transparent California, and the difference between my pre-benefit and post-benefit salary even shocked me.
Yeah, that's the burdened or extended cost, sometimes called total compensation. All, or almost all, employees have that, even minimum wage workers (Social Security and maybe Unemployment Insurance) that employers pay in addition to wages/salary.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Well I've known multiple comp sci/MIS grads in the "gig economy."
IT/MIS is not a STEM field. The engineers who design the hardware and software used by IT/MIS people -- those design engineers are STEM. IT/MIS are, well, pretty far down the food chain.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:15 PM
 
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Starting salaries in Silicon Valley for fresh-out-of-engineering-school, no-work-experience people are well north of $100K. Many north of $120K.
Contractors too or just the wealthy-and-well-connected salaried hires?
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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IT/MIS is not a STEM field. The engineers who design the hardware and software used by IT/MIS people -- those design engineers are STEM.
Agreed, I didn't mean to imply MIS is a STEM field. It's usually lumped into Business, and probably has more in common with Engineering Management than with Engineering. Nonetheless I'd disagree with the notion that MIS grads are not capable of designing the software that they use.

At any rate, if a technically-savvy grad is stuck in a valueless job it's because of structural flaws in the tech industry not because the major is categorized outside of STEM or for any other reason.

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Old 08-31-2018, 03:31 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Contractors too or just the wealthy-and-well-connected salaried hires?
Pretty much everyone, AFAIK. I also live in Silicon Valley, and anything under $100K is considered a "lower-income salary" here - whether or not you work in IT. Even us lowly public servants usually make close to six figures, if you're anything above janitorial level.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Yeah, that's the burdened or extended cost, sometimes called total compensation. All, or almost all, employees have that, even minimum wage workers (Social Security and maybe Unemployment Insurance) that employers pay in addition to wages/salary.
Yes, true... but I was just answering the question of how a worker (subway/train operator) with a posted $20/hr salary could = $100K in actual earnings. My base salary, for example, is around $42/hr right now; but when you add on the benefits, it ends up being closer to $60/hr!
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