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Old 08-13-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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Consumers shop with Netflix and Amazon because they offer goods at cheaper prices, since they don't have the overhead of operating brick & mortar stores like Blockbuster. It has nothing to do with their level of service.

But in any event, what do management decisions have to do with an employee working for $8/hr?
lifeexplorer: " this is 2012 where we don't have slavery. It's a free market. You don't have to work for $8/hour if you don't want to.
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iamrollinglow: "The free market is a sham and doesn't work... I, a small business entrepreneur, decide to one day open up my own shop... After some time, a huge corporation sees what I have done and decides to compete with me... Because of this, I have to try to make my company survive... The above scenario should be enough to justify how a free market can go wrong."

NJBest: "Howard Johnson, Ben & Jerry's, OxyClean, InstaGram. Those examples should be enough to justify how successful the free market is."
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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Howard Johnson was a huge benefactor of the government subsidized interstate highway.

Ben & Jerry learned how to make ice cream from a government-subsidized school, then gave away their ice ream for free.

OxyClean and Orange Glo were acquired by Church & Dwight. The father of Armand Hammer (Arm & Hammer) was a staunch Socialist, and the logo for Arm & Hammer was the logo for the Socialist Party in remembrance of him. Also, the company has oly been based in very progressive US states (Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey).

Instagram was acquird by Facebook.
So is Howard Johnson, Ben, Jerry, and the Instagram team struggling today? No, the free market doesn't screw small business owners. For each anecdotal story of a business going under, I can give one of a business succeeding.

Btw, Howard Johnson was successful off of his icecream before the highways. Ben & Jerry's was successful because they fattened up and overflavored.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:04 PM
 
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You do know there's anti-trust law in place to prevent this right? Also since you think it doesn't work, what's your idea of fixing it then?

Only if those laws were actually enforced.... Oh that's right, dingbat neo-con right wingers hate these darn regulations that's supposed to prevent small businesses from getting gobbled up by huge corporations.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:20 PM
 
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Only if those laws were actually enforced.... Oh that's right, dingbat neo-con right wingers hate these darn regulations that's supposed to prevent small businesses from getting gobbled up by huge corporations.
You just painted a scenario where starting a business is beneficial. It hurts your previous argument.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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You just painted a scenario where starting a business is beneficial. It hurts your previous argument.

Elaborate.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:03 AM
 
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Elaborate.
I usually don't take commands... especially in your rude manner, but I'll make an exception since it appears you don't know any better.

lifeexplorer suggested that you don't have to work for $8/hour. You have the freedom to start your own small business.... it's a free market.

Your argument is that the free market doesn't work because large corporations gobble up small businesses. Instagram just got gobbled up by Facebook. Captcha got gobbled up by Google. These startup owners now have millions of dollars.... This whole gobbling thing works out a lot better than $8/hour or even $80/hour.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:33 AM
 
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If you have a choice to either be broke or earn 8 bucks a hr im sure the majority would choose the 8 dollars.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:51 AM
 
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lifeexplorer: " this is 2012 where we don't have slavery. It's a free market. You don't have to work for $8/hour if you don't want to.
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iamrollinglow: "The free market is a sham and doesn't work... I, a small business entrepreneur, decide to one day open up my own shop... After some time, a huge corporation sees what I have done and decides to compete with me... Because of this, I have to try to make my company survive... The above scenario should be enough to justify how a free market can go wrong."

NJBest: "Howard Johnson, Ben & Jerry's, OxyClean, InstaGram. Those examples should be enough to justify how successful the free market is."
America doesn't have a free market, it has a mixed economy.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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as you would for $10 - $12 or $15?

In other words, when it comes to the amount of effort you put out on your job, would you say that your employer...."gets what they pay for", or would you give 100 percent effort regardless of whether you were making $12,000 a year or $30,000 per year?

Just wondering, y'all

20yrsinBranson
At a few of the jobs where I've had making around $8-12/hr (adjusting for inflation), they were difficult jobs. Sometimes very much so. Grocery cashier, and construction hand during the summer. Especially construction. If my boss caught you so much as standing still for a few minutes, he'd let you hear it. They expected you to be moving every minute you were getting paid.

On the other hand, at every white collar job I've had, there's ridiculous amounts of goofing off and socializing at times. Sauntering over to someones cube and having a 45 minute conversation with your co-worker. Normal, but can you ever imagine doing that at McDonalds?!

At many/most white collar jobs, people can get away with walking into the office on a particular day and walking out 8 hours later and not doing a single minute of real work.

In other words, at a lot of $8/hr jobs, people work much harder than those that make a lot more.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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I usually don't take commands... especially in your rude manner, but I'll make an exception since it appears you don't know any better.

lifeexplorer suggested that you don't have to work for $8/hour. You have the freedom to start your own small business.... it's a free market.

Your argument is that the free market doesn't work because large corporations gobble up small businesses. Instagram just got gobbled up by Facebook. Captcha got gobbled up by Google. These startup owners now have millions of dollars.... This whole gobbling thing works out a lot better than $8/hour or even $80/hour.
Please don't forget how Google and Facebook started. They started with practically nothing in their pockets and were small business. Microsoft, again started as a small business, tried as hard as it could but they couldn't stop Google.
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