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You want another Marian tradition that is also a Catholic Article of Faith and a mandatory belief? The Perpetual Virginityof Mary, which says that Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus. The birth was miraculous. This idea is stated very explicitly in the non-canonical Protoevangelium of James but there is more to it than that. One of the penalties of the sin of Adam and Eve was painful childbirth. Since Mary is held to have been conceived without Original Sin she would necessarily be exempt from that penalty.
Here is a painting by William Blake illustrating that perpetual virginity thing. The woman receiving the miraculously born Christ child is Mary's cousin Elizabeth with the infant John the Baptist on her lap.
The Holy Scriptures are not meant for prideful, combative people to use on an online forum with one line beat downs. Clearly, I, you, and Catholic Church can not provide one single, superficial, sentence to the immaculate conception.
The link I posted does speak very clearly on it, using multiple Biblical references from the Old Testament and the New Testament. The 30 page paper I posted is literally soaked in the Old and New Testament and explains why Mary is the new Arc of the Covenant.
Again, I said if you are serious about your argument. Not if you are looking for a silly online one sentence quote - which many of you tend to do hundreds of times a day to argue your misunderstandings of a Bible that some Christians can't even read.
I understand that she is the arc of the new covenant. But that does not equate to her being without sin.
I read the entire 30 pages and know all the references they use to the arc and Mary. Though the article did not show any reference in scripture to base the Immaculate conception concept. The concept of Mary being born without sin is the only thing I see as errant.
You want another Marian tradition that is also a Catholic Article of Faith and a mandatory belief? The Perpetual Virginityof Mary, which says that Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus. The birth was miraculous. This idea is stated very explicitly in the non-canonical Protoevangelium of James but there is more to it than that. One of the penalties of the sin of Adam and Eve was painful childbirth. Since Mary is held to have been conceived without Original Sin she would necessarily be exempt from that penalty.
Here is a painting by William Blake illustrating that perpetual virginity thing. The woman receiving the miraculously born Christ child is Mary's cousin Elizabeth with the infant John the Baptist on her lap.
You want another Marian tradition that is also a Catholic Article of Faith and a mandatory belief? The Perpetual Virginityof Mary, which says that Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus. The birth was miraculous. This idea is stated very explicitly in the non-canonical Protoevangelium of James but there is more to it than that. One of the penalties of the sin of Adam and Eve was painful childbirth. Since Mary is held to have been conceived without Original Sin she would necessarily be exempt from that penalty.
Here is a painting by William Blake illustrating that perpetual virginity thing. The woman receiving the miraculously born Christ child is Mary's cousin Elizabeth with the infant John the Baptist on her lap.
I can see maybe that God prepared her ordained her in her mothers wound. I do remember how God told the prophet Jeremiah Ch 1 vs 5.
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee.
In context I can see this for Mary.
This is nauseating isn't it? I have said my piece, and left my part. I literally feel called to walk away from this vacuum tunnel of human pride and spitting! Such is the broken self-interpreting, self-priding theological system of Protestantism. 26,000 denominations and growing.
One thing I kind of thought of today - so many people say that Roman Catholic traditions and practices are remnants of their Pagan culture they just couldn't let go of. That they are disguised, Satanic, Pagan ritualists who actually think they are Christians.
Well - I guess if it is so easy for a Christian church to meet in the middle of the Pagan culture, and soak it up to the point where it can't let go of it's Pagan origin for 2,000 years - just imagine what all of the new denominations of Christianity that meet new believers in the middle NOW out of a source of comfort and "relevancy" are picking up in TODAY'S culture. A whole new level of Paganism isn't it?
You should relax. scrutiny is apart of the life of worship. Together when we assemble Jesus is with us. as we are here assembled on this forum. Together we are discussing, teaching, and exercising the Truth.
remember your spiritual armor brother. Shod you feet with gospel of peace. 1 peter ch 4
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Rom ch 14
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Understand I am NOT accusing anyone of anything however I am simply seeking to see how if ones know Gods word is inspired from God from whose inspiration are the traditions of the Catholic church not in the bible but taken from what source?
I can see maybe that God prepared her ordained her in her mothers wound. I do remember how God told the prophet Jeremiah Ch 1 vs 5.
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee.
In context I can see this for Mary.
When I read Jeremiah the Holy Spirit gave me the understanding that he was Baptized in the womb.
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