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Old 12-25-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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No. A pastor, especially, is to call people to repentance--not encourage them in their sin. That includes homosexuality, as well as other sins, like adultery, drunkenness, etc. I'm sure this idea will have people howling.
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Correct!
He may do so, but not at the expense of those who do not believe the same.
If he wants to call his congregation vile names that's between him and them?
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Old 12-26-2016, 02:19 AM
 
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He may do so, but not at the expense of those who do not believe the same.
If he wants to call his congregation vile names that's between him and them?
Amen!.They want to judge and condemn others for what they THINK is sin even though God is NOT counting our sins against us thanks to Jesus. It is frustratingly ignorant and perverse.
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Old 12-26-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: New England
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Amen!.They want to judge and condemn others for what they THINK is sin even though God is NOT counting our sins against us thanks to Jesus. It is frustratingly ignorant and perverse.
Lord, if you marked our transgressions who would stand ?. The likes of those who think it's their God given right to mark what they think is sin in others .

PSALM 130:3
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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No. A pastor, especially, is to call people to repentance--not encourage them in their sin. That includes homosexuality, as well as other sins, like adultery, drunkenness, etc. I'm sure this idea will have people howling.
So have you ever performed a second marriage for some one?
Have you served or participated in an event that served alcohol?
How about gambling and other games of chance?
Have you ever called out the fortune teller from your congregation and admonished the person?
The person consuming shellfish?
People wearing mixed fabrics?

I am sure this drill is quite familiar to you, yet you claim your god CHANGED and no longer requires enforcement of such ARCHAIC rules, except for the one against LGBTQ...why is that that ONLY law carried over from the 613 Laws?

How convenient hat the ONLY law (against LGBTQ) that continues today also has NO MEANING TO MODERN SOCIETY an seems to be as archaic as any the the 613 LAWS but continues t be used by the church today to demand Christian SHARIA LAW be set in place and that the church insists on this idiotic idea dividing the people as the church searches for more DIVISIVE make-believe issues in hopes of shaming people into church for their money or shaming them to become TARGETS for the churches' AVENGING ANGELS to be made an example of what happens when others defy their image of a BIGOTED, HATEFUL, JEALOUS, and VENGEFUL god.

And while I am sure there is but ONE GOD, it is NOT and NEVER has been the IMAGE held up by the organized church and used to CONTROL the masses via FEAR, THREATS, INTIMIDATION and XENOPHOBIC traits like encouraging RACISM, teaching MISOGYNY, ignoring POVERTY, denying HUNGER, with holding EDUCATION, killing via HEALTH CARE denial, building WALLS, and providing huge TAX REFUNDS for the PHARISEES and MONEY CHANGERS.
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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No. A pastor, especially, is to call people to repentance--not encourage them in their sin. That includes homosexuality, as well as other sins, like adultery, drunkenness, etc. I'm sure this idea will have people howling.
Pastors main responsibility is to teach the Word of God and let the chips call where they may.
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I thought denial of the truth was utter nonsense.
If you had the faintest notion of "truth" in this matter you would have a point, but all you have is 3,000 years of misinterpretation and prejudice.
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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So, per the link this only applies to those pastors who are participating in a state program.

And?

What's the problem?


State forbids pastors calling homosexuality ‘sinful’

1) The predictably dishonest thread-title implies that all pastors in Kentucky are banned from ever saying that homosexuality is sinful. This is false. Pastors in Kentucky are free to spew whatever warms their hateful hearts to their congregations. They're free to berate random gay people they meet on the street with vile commentary. But, as noted, this restriction only applies to duties on a job.
Saying what the Bible says is not spewing hate. What you have just said has more hate in it than calling shmoseual acts a sin.

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2) Various government employments come with all sorts of restrictions. Members of the military are not allowed to publicly criticize their chain of command, from their commanding officer to the Secretary of Defense to the President. And it's been this way for many decades.
Those not int he military are not bound by military rules.

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3) Postal carriers are prohibited by the Hatch Act from various activities, including wearing political buttons on the job. Yet you don't hear them hysterically wailing that their free speech is being violated. Hell, they're even prohibited from some off-duty acts, like hosting political fundraisers in their homes.
Those not postal workser are not bound by postal rules.

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4) Public school teachers face a host of limitations on their speech and activities, both on the job and off.

The OP is simply continuing his crusade to convince people that Christians are oppressed which is sheer and utter nonsense.
Some Christians have been oppressed and it is getting worse.
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:34 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Lord, if you marked our transgressions who would stand ?. The likes of those who think it's their God given right to mark what they think is sin in others .

PSALM 130:3
What one thinks is sin is different than what is actually sin. Christians have not only the right, but the responsibility to tell Christians they are sinning. This doe snot extend to telling non-beleivers they are sinning, but we can tell them what God says about personal conduct---I Cor 5:12-13
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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See above...... "what the Bible says"
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:50 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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So have you ever performed a second marriage for some one?
Under certain conditions, people can Biblically be married a second time.

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Have you served or participated in an event that served alcohol?
The Bible does not forbid drinking alcohol

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How about gambling and other games of chance?
The Bible does not forbid those activities.

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Have you ever called out the fortune teller from your congregation and admonished the person?
The Bible does not require them to be called out publically. Only to teach what the Bible says about it.

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The person consuming shellfish?
God has made all food clean.

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People wearing mixed fabrics?
Not mixed fabrics; specific mixed fabrics.

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I am sure this drill is quite familiar to you, yet you claim your god CHANGED and no longer requires enforcement of such ARCHAIC rules, except for the one against LGBTQ...why is that that ONLY law carried over from the 613 Laws?
I doubt if this drill is familiar to you.

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How convenient hat the ONLY law (against LGBTQ) that continues today also has NO MEANING TO MODERN SOCIETY an seems to be as archaic as any the the 613 LAWS but continues t be used by the church today to demand Christian SHARIA LAW be set in place and that the church insists on this idiotic idea dividing the people as the church searches for more DIVISIVE make-believe issues in hopes of shaming people into church for their money or shaming them to become TARGETS for the churches' AVENGING ANGELS to be made an example of what happens when others defy their image of a BIGOTED, HATEFUL, JEALOUS, and VENGEFUL god.
Thank you for exposing your bigotery towards Christianity and towards Christians.

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And while I am sure there is but ONE GOD, it is NOT and NEVER has been the IMAGE held up by the organized church and used to CONTROL the masses via FEAR, THREATS, INTIMIDATION and XENOPHOBIC traits like encouraging RACISM, teaching MISOGYNY, ignoring POVERTY, denying HUNGER, with holding EDUCATION, killing via HEALTH CARE denial, building WALLS, and providing huge TAX REFUNDS for the PHARISEES and MONEY CHANGERS.
I am positive you are ignorant of Christian churches but that doesn't keep you from exposing your ignorance.

I would like to thank you for revealing the accuracy of I Cor 2:14. If you want to criticize something learn about it first hand.
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