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Old 06-29-2021, 04:44 PM
 
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It is literal. The Bible is to be understood in the context of which it was written. That's what "literal" means. It's not a hard concept to understand. It's a shame that you either can't, or seem to intentionally refuse to grasp that concept.

Leviticus was written to Jews living in the desert. It was not written to Christians in 2021. This is not complicated.
In other words, Christians do not need to follow anything in Leviticus, as it was not written to, or for Christians?
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Old 06-29-2021, 06:08 PM
 
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Oh good grief. Luke 1:15 was referring to John the Baptist who had taken a a Nazirite vow and therefore was not supposed to drink wine. Jesus was not under a Nazirite vow. Jesus drank alcoholic wine. He was accused of being a drunkard because because he was known to drink wine when eating with 'sinners and tax collectors.'

Get over it. And learn the difference between drinking and being drunk. They are two different things. It's a matter of degree.

And Jesus didn't turn water into grape juice. He turned it into wine. In John 2:10 the man who praised the quality of the wine when he commented on how ''every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine, but you have kept the good wine until now.'' wasn't talking about non-fermented grape juice. Grape juice wasn't served at wedding feasts.
I pointed out luke 1:15 hoping you would read a certain part of it to compare to Jesus Christ, John would be filled with the Holy Spirit.......so would Jesus, Eph 5:18 tells us to be filled with the Spirit and not drunk with alcoholic wine. If John refrained from it, why would Jesus Christ be any less than John? John's father was a priest i believe, priest couldn't have alcohol, Jesus was the High Priest right? (Heb. 9:11-12) So why would Jesus break the old law by drinking such a forbidden substance?

Hab. 2:15 Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors.....
You are accusing Jesus Christ of breaking the law!

If Christ turned the wedding wine into alcoholic wine then Jesus Christ sinned!!!! Habakkuk 2:15-16 proves that to be so. You cannot get around that one bit!!!

Romans 14:21 tells us not to do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble.

1 Pet. 2:5 says that all Christians are priest, Rev 1:6 also, if we are priest then we must set the example to all others, Rom. 14:21 being implied here, we cannot alow our actions to lead others to hell.

You got it wrong, the implication of Jesus Christ giving intoxicating drink at the wedding that would mean that He sinned and therefore COULD NOT have been the spotless sacrifice for all of mankind is so utterly defeating for you.
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Old 06-29-2021, 06:14 PM
 
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You say the Bible is inerrant and literally true until you need to make a point. Then it's all about context. Or it's parable. Or it's allegorical.
Usually on these dietary laws they go with the "new covenant replaces the old covenant" and somehow Jesus dying on the cross allows you to eat whatever you want. Still can't say certain bad words but you can pound down all the shrimp you want.
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Old 06-29-2021, 06:52 PM
 
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I pointed out luke 1:15 hoping you would read a certain part of it to compare to Jesus Christ, John would be filled with the Holy Spirit.......so would Jesus, Eph 5:18 tells us to be filled with the Spirit and not drunk with alcoholic wine. If John refrained from it, why would Jesus Christ be any less than John? John's father was a priest i believe, priest couldn't have alcohol, Jesus was the High Priest right? (Heb. 9:11-12) So why would Jesus break the old law by drinking such a forbidden substance?

Hab. 2:15 Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors.....
You are accusing Jesus Christ of breaking the law!

If Christ turned the wedding wine into alcoholic wine then Jesus Christ sinned!!!! Habakkuk 2:15-16 proves that to be so. You cannot get around that one bit!!!

Romans 14:21 tells us not to do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble.

1 Pet. 2:5 says that all Christians are priest, Rev 1:6 also, if we are priest then we must set the example to all others, Rom. 14:21 being implied here, we cannot alow our actions to lead others to hell.

You got it wrong, the implication of Jesus Christ giving intoxicating drink at the wedding that would mean that He sinned and therefore COULD NOT have been the spotless sacrifice for all of mankind is so utterly defeating for you.
No, Kurreto. As I've already pointed out, it would have been silly for the Pharisees to accuse Jesus of being a drunkard if he wasn't drinking something capable of making him drunk. Simple logic.

Learn the difference between drinking and getting drunk, and then learn the concept of individual responsibility for one's actions.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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No, Kurreto. As I've already pointed out, it would have been silly for the Pharisees to accuse Jesus of being a drunkard if he wasn't drinking something capable of making him drunk. Simple logic.
Learn the difference between drinking and getting drunk, and then learn the concept of individual responsibility for one's actions.
Good point ^ above ^ because ' wine ' was drunk at Passover and Jesus had ' wine ' at the last Passover supper.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:39 PM
 
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Good point ^ above ^ because ' wine ' was drunk at Passover and Jesus had ' wine ' at the last Passover supper.
Yes. Alcoholic wine was a mainstay in ancient Judea. That doesn't mean however that everyone got rip roaring drunk all the time.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:46 PM
 
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Usually on these dietary laws they go with the "new covenant replaces the old covenant" and somehow Jesus dying on the cross allows you to eat whatever you want. Still can't say certain bad words but you can pound down all the shrimp you want.
All the confusion would disappear if they realized that it is not WHAT we do that matters to God, but WHY we do it - what is our spiritual state of mind.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:48 PM
 
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....Leviticus was written to Jews living in the desert. It was not written to Christians in 2021. This is not complicated.
In the first century Jesus referred to the Golden Rule found at Leviticus 19:18.
Of course in 2021 we should be going by Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are now to love neighbor MORE than self, more than the Golden Rule.
So, although Not under the Law covenant, the regulations set out in Leviticus gives insight to God's viewpoint on matters.
That makes Leviticus a 'live source of information' and to know what pleases God, or not.
What is covered at Leviticus chapters 11 to 15 and chapter 18 shows not only spiritual benefits but physical benefits.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:59 PM
 
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Usually on these dietary laws they go with the "new covenant replaces the old covenant" and somehow Jesus dying on the cross allows you to eat whatever you want.............
Yes, before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law, and after the Flood, people could eat what is written at Genesis 9:3-4.
Then, while under the Law - Leviticus 17:10-14 - the eating of blood was still forbidden.
Now, under Acts 15:20,29 to refrain from eating things strangled and to abstain from blood.
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Old 06-29-2021, 08:34 PM
 
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In the first century Jesus referred to the Golden Rule found at Leviticus 19:18.
Of course in 2021 we should be going by Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are now to love neighbor MORE than self, more than the Golden Rule.
So, although Not under the Law covenant, the regulations set out in Leviticus gives insight to God's viewpoint on matters.
That makes Leviticus a 'live source of information' and to know what pleases God, or not.
What is covered at Leviticus chapters 11 to 15 and chapter 18 shows not only spiritual benefits but physical benefits.
I am not a member of the Jehovah Witness and Watchtower Society, so am I one of your neighbors that you love more than yourself, more than the Golden Rule? You know, the guy next door - who is not your brother, or a member?
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