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Kurreto, you are a good example of how religion can make some people stupid. You refuse to think. I've pointed out three times now. . . this is the fourth, that the Pharisees could not have accused Jesus of being a drunkard unless Jesus had been drinking something that had the ability of getting him drunk. There was no potential for Jesus to get drunk unless he was drinking alcohol. You can't get drunk on grape juice. If Jesus had been drinking grape juice and everyone knew he was only drinking grape juice it would have been silly for the Pharisees to accuse him of being a drunkard.
Now if you still can't understand that then find a five year old to explain it to you.
Scientifically speaking, any amount of alcohol begins the drunkeness process, you cannot argue that from a scientific perspective. If Jesus was drinking non alcoholic wine, and the haters accused Him of drinking alcohol, how do you solve the accusation?
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Scientifically speaking, any amount of alcohol begins the drunkeness process, you cannot argue that from a scientific perspective. If Jesus was drinking non alcoholic wine, and the haters accused Him of drinking alcohol, how do you solve the accusation?
There is no reason to think a single drink in a normal adult moves that person anywhere toward drunkenness.
Jesus drank regular wine, just like everybody else. Why would anyone think differently?
Scientifically speaking, any amount of alcohol begins the drunkeness process, you cannot argue that from a scientific perspective. If Jesus was drinking non alcoholic wine, and the haters accused Him of drinking alcohol, how do you solve the accusation?
Drunk, no. But one drink can and does cause a slight effect.
Now, does that support his crazy notion that Jesus and the Disciples were teetotalers? Nah..no way. If anything, they likely had a pretty good tolerance built up because they drank it regularly.
The ancient people did have methods to preserve juice from becoming alcoholic and they could rid the alcohol from the fermented juice. That's a fact, if you refuse to challenge that then I will stop. The influence from drinking is a stumbling block and Romand 14:21 informs us to not do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble. So the implication alone is absolutely condemning, no where to run for excuses.
Health benefits from wine is found in fresh, unfermented wine just like the fermented wine, different amounts of the substance that is healthy, but nonetheless grape juice alone provides the health benefits as the toxic wine. 4 years ago I would have been on your side but scriptures teach the dangers of it and I have decided to love the truth more than the worldly wisdom that leads only to destruction.
26 And you shall turn that money into whatever your soul desires; cattle, sheep, new wine or old wine, or whatever your soul desires, and you shall eat there before the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.
NLT
26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household.
Interesting that G-d had told them to use their tithe to buy wine or other alcoholic drink...G-d must be a sinner according to you...
The ancient people did have methods to preserve juice from becoming alcoholic and they could rid the alcohol from the fermented juice. That's a fact, if you refuse to challenge that then I will stop. The influence from drinking is a stumbling block and Romand 14:21 informs us to not do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble. So the implication alone is absolutely condemning, no where to run for excuses.
Health benefits from wine is found in fresh, unfermented wine just like the fermented wine, different amounts of the substance that is healthy, but nonetheless grape juice alone provides the health benefits as the toxic wine. 4 years ago I would have been on your side but scriptures teach the dangers of it and I have decided to love the truth more than the worldly wisdom that leads only to destruction.
Your position is nonsense! Should we bar people from food also, to 'prevent gluttony', in case with that they should stumble?
Drunk, no. But one drink can and does cause a slight effect.
Now, does that support his crazy notion that Jesus and the Disciples were teetotalers? Nah..no way. If anything, they likely had a pretty good tolerance built up because they drank it regularly.
Yes, but feeling a slight effect from alcohol is not sinful.
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