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Old 06-29-2021, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Congrats Han! Aim high
I know right, well, you get in enough pain, and you would be amazed and what you might do to get out of pain.
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Old 06-29-2021, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes, before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law, and after the Flood, people could eat what is written at Genesis 9:3-4.
Then, while under the Law - Leviticus 17:10-14 - the eating of blood was still forbidden.
Now, under Acts 15:20,29 to refrain from eating things strangled and to abstain from blood.
In other words, if your spouse (wife) was bleeding out during childbirth, and receiving a few pints of blood would save her life, or the child's - you would just let them die?
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Old 06-30-2021, 04:58 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Yes, before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law, and after the Flood, people could eat what is written at Genesis 9:3-4.
Then, while under the Law - Leviticus 17:10-14 - the eating of blood was still forbidden.
Now, under Acts 15:20,29 to refrain from eating things strangled and to abstain from blood.
Nonsense interpretation.
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Old 06-30-2021, 05:01 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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In other words, if your spouse (wife) was bleeding out during childbirth, and receiving a few pints of blood would save her life, or the child's - you would just let them die?
That's exactly what they do. They were told to do so in 1945 and they let over 900 people die every year. Needlessly.
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Old 06-30-2021, 05:30 AM
 
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No, Kurreto. As I've already pointed out, it would have been silly for the Pharisees to accuse Jesus of being a drunkard if he wasn't drinking something capable of making him drunk. Simple logic.

Learn the difference between drinking and getting drunk, and then learn the concept of individual responsibility for one's actions.
The Pharisees accused Jesus Christ of using the help of Satan to cast out demons!!! Get that through your head!

They accused Him and they accused Christians of being heretics too! They killed the Christ, how dare you believe the same people who killed Him. You have taken the loosing side on this discussion. So every time someone accuses you of something you didn't do, are you gonna agree with them???? Thats so ridiculous.

Scientifically speaking, experts will tell you that there is NO minimal amount of alcohol that makes one intoxicated.

Jesus Christ never sinned. Getting drunk is a sin, how could have Christ gotten drunk, therefore sinned and then we claim that He was the sinless, blameless, spotless Lamb of God to be sacrificed to take away the sins of the world? How? He never could have been the acceptable sacrifice to God if He sinned by getting drunk.

Can't you see, that is absurd the whole way through? Stop claiming that Christ sinned, that is very, very blasphemous!!!
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Old 06-30-2021, 05:46 AM
 
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Drinking does not automatically equal drunkenness. The wine produced in Biblical time was alcoholic. Producing non-alcoholic grape juice wasn't even possible until times (I believe 19th century). Prior to the advent of refrigeration and modern water treatment systems, people drank beer and wine in order to stay alive. The alcohol and the brewing/fermenting processes killed the bacteria that was in the water. Saying Jesus drank wine is simply stating an obvious fact, not implying he was a drunkard.
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Old 06-30-2021, 06:09 AM
 
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The Pharisees accused Jesus Christ of using the help of Satan to cast out demons!!! Get that through your head!

They accused Him and they accused Christians of being heretics too! They killed the Christ, how dare you believe the same people who killed Him. You have taken the loosing side on this discussion. So every time someone accuses you of something you didn't do, are you gonna agree with them???? Thats so ridiculous.

Scientifically speaking, experts will tell you that there is NO minimal amount of alcohol that makes one intoxicated.

Jesus Christ never sinned. Getting drunk is a sin, how could have Christ gotten drunk, therefore sinned and then we claim that He was the sinless, blameless, spotless Lamb of God to be sacrificed to take away the sins of the world? How? He never could have been the acceptable sacrifice to God if He sinned by getting drunk.

Can't you see, that is absurd the whole way through? Stop claiming that Christ sinned, that is very, very blasphemous!!!
Are you stating that Jews killed your Jesus?...
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Old 06-30-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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The Pharisees accused Jesus Christ of using the help of Satan to cast out demons!!! Get that through your head!

They accused Him and they accused Christians of being heretics too! They killed the Christ, how dare you believe the same people who killed Him. You have taken the loosing side on this discussion. So every time someone accuses you of something you didn't do, are you gonna agree with them???? Thats so ridiculous.

Scientifically speaking, experts will tell you that there is NO minimal amount of alcohol that makes one intoxicated.

Jesus Christ never sinned. Getting drunk is a sin, how could have Christ gotten drunk, therefore sinned and then we claim that He was the sinless, blameless, spotless Lamb of God to be sacrificed to take away the sins of the world? How? He never could have been the acceptable sacrifice to God if He sinned by getting drunk.

Can't you see, that is absurd the whole way through? Stop claiming that Christ sinned, that is very, very blasphemous!!!

Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 14

26 And you shall turn that money into whatever your soul desires; cattle, sheep, new wine or old wine, or whatever your soul desires, and you shall eat there before the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.


NLT

26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household.

Interesting that G-d had told them to use their tithe to buy wine or other alcoholic drink...G-d must be a sinner according to you...
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Old 06-30-2021, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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You are still just plain wrong. If you want to be taken seriously, please post a link to a credible source that makes it clear that people 2000 years ago knew what transfusions were, how they were done, and what they were for. My reading indicates that hollow needles weren't invented until ~1844, so no injection was possible before then. Why did the Watchtower wait for 100 years to decide that this was so evil that it was OK to let people die over it?

Tell us in your own words (not the Watchtower's words) why you conflate transfusions with the ancient health rule that blood should be drained from meat before it is cooked.

Why did you twist my words to imply that I said God was leaving His people without leadership? I didn't say that. I said there is no anointed governing body for Christians. That is demonstrably true. Baptists don't have to follow Catholic doctrine. Methodists don't follow Presbyterian rules. Lutherans can't even decide among themselves what doctrine is. The Catholics think everybody else is either wrong or beholden to them and the Pope. Nobody's denomination leadership is anointed. Most of them are elected.

No twisting at all, I asked you a question, I personally believe that Jehovah has a governing body today, they are called the faithful slave which are to care for the sheep. Mat 24:45-47 Now either the Bible is correct or not. Do you observe a group of people on earth that are fed well spiritually? If we are in the last days, they should be easy to spot don't you think?


You said what you said, you point blank said they were not the governing body, yet the Bible showed where Paul went to them to settle the issue. Best to know your Bible before you speak sir.
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Old 06-30-2021, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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You say the Bible is inerrant and literally true until you need to make a point. Then it's all about context. Or it's parable. Or it's allegorical.

The point of a parable is literal sir. There are many parables in the Bible.
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