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The ancient people did have methods to preserve juice from becoming alcoholic and they could rid the alcohol from the fermented juice. That's a fact, if you refuse to challenge that then I will stop. The influence from drinking is a stumbling block and Romand 14:21 informs us to not do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble. So the implication alone is absolutely condemning, no where to run for excuses.
Health benefits from wine is found in fresh, unfermented wine just like the fermented wine, different amounts of the substance that is healthy, but nonetheless grape juice alone provides the health benefits as the toxic wine. 4 years ago I would have been on your side but scriptures teach the dangers of it and I have decided to love the truth more than the worldly wisdom that leads only to destruction.
Oh good grief that's crazy. No, they did not. They drank fermented wine. It made people drunk. Jesus made alcoholic wine.
Once again, if Jesus had not been drinking something which was capable of making him drunk it would have been ridiculous for the Pharisees to accuse him of being a drunkard. To get drunk you must drink something which has alcohol in it. If the Pharisees had accused Jesus of being a drunkard when all he was drinking was grape juice they would have made fools out of themselves. As I've already said, that's just simple logic.
So the pharisees were also correct when they accused Him of casting out demons by the help of Satan?
People accused the apostles of being drunk because they apparently didn't like them, does that validate it? Your argument is absurd, nothing but pride puffing you up with a lame argument, no merit whatsoever. I will pray for you.
So the pharisees were also correct when they accused Him of casting out demons by the help of Satan?
People accused the apostles of being drunk because they apparently didn't like them, does that validate it? Your argument is absurd, nothing but pride puffing you up with a lame argument, no merit whatsoever. I will pray for you.
Are you stupid? What do you not understand about the fact that in order for the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was a drunkard he had to have been drinking something that was capable of causing him to become drunk? Otherwise, the Pharisees would have had no case for making the accusation. They would have just made fools out of themselves much like you are doing right now.
So the pharisees were also correct when they accused Him of casting out demons by the help of Satan?
People accused the apostles of being drunk because they apparently didn't like them, does that validate it? Your argument is absurd, nothing but pride puffing you up with a lame argument, no merit whatsoever. I will pray for you.
Wow are you totally missing the point.
Jesus was actually casting out demons. He was not using the power of Satan.
Jesus was actually drinking wine. He was not getting drunk.
The ancient people did have methods to preserve juice from becoming alcoholic and they could rid the alcohol from the fermented juice. That's a fact, if you refuse to challenge that then I will stop. The influence from drinking is a stumbling block and Romand 14:21 informs us to not do ANYTHING that would cause a brother to stumble. So the implication alone is absolutely condemning, no where to run for excuses.
Health benefits from wine is found in fresh, unfermented wine just like the fermented wine, different amounts of the substance that is healthy, but nonetheless grape juice alone provides the health benefits as the toxic wine. 4 years ago I would have been on your side but scriptures teach the dangers of it and I have decided to love the truth more than the worldly wisdom that leads only to destruction.
The first process for pasteurizing grape juice to stop fermentation was developed by Thomas Welch in 1869.
Nothing in the Scriptures forbid the moderate consumption of alcohol. Excess in many things can be bad while moderate usage can be beneficial.
The only side I'm on is the side of accuracy and truth.
Look up: The Ancient Process of Preserving Grape Juice by Kyle Pope, it gives the old writings that talks about the processes. You will learn something, it doesn't go very far on all methods but its enough to provide you with a nice defeat like it did me several years ago. The present day afghan people put grapes in a bowl then cover it will clay and it preserves the grapes for about a years, they still do that to this day. The same method was used way back then to make fresh juice when needed. Sorry I couldn't send a link, its a pdf and I'm too old school and don't know enough about computers.
Are you stupid? What do you not understand about the fact that in order for the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was a drunkard he had to have been drinking something that was capable of causing him to become drunk? Otherwise, the Pharisees would have had no case for making the accusation. They would have just made fools out of themselves much like you are doing right
The same chapter, just right before accusing Jesus, the pharisees accused John the baptist of having a demon. How can you be so ignorant of the context?
They accused the Son of God of many things, they thought Christ was a lunatic. A heretic, why give merit to another claim when all they had was negative things to say? You show how silly you are by holding to a false position and using this pathetic, senseless argument to no avail. Its your pride that gives you reason to fight this, no matter how false you become. You have got nothing to argue with. I can lead you to the water but I cannot make you drink it to save your life, that is your responsibility. You do so well reasoning on certain subjects but here you fail so terribly, im gonna keep praying for you to come to your senses.
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Are you stupid? What do you not understand about the fact that in order for the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was a drunkard he had to have been drinking something that was capable of causing him to become drunk? Otherwise, the Pharisees would have had no case for making the accusation. They would have just made fools out of themselves much like you are doing right
The same chapter, just right before accusing Jesus, the pharisees accused John the baptist of having a demon. How can you be so ignorant of the context?
They accused the Son of God of many things, they thought Christ was a lunatic. A heretic, why give merit to another claim when all they had was negative things to say? You show how silly you are by holding to a false position and using this pathetic, senseless argument to no avail. Its your pride that gives you reason to fight this, no matter how false you become. You have got nothing to argue with. I can lead you to the water but I cannot make you drink it to save your life, that is your responsibility. You do so well reasoning on certain subjects but here you fail so terribly, im gonna keep praying for you to come to your senses.
Kurreto, you are a good example of how religion can make some people stupid. You refuse to think. I've pointed out three times now. . . this is the fourth, that the Pharisees could not have accused Jesus of being a drunkard unless Jesus had been drinking something that had the ability of getting him drunk. There was no potential for Jesus to get drunk unless he was drinking alcohol. You can't get drunk on grape juice. If Jesus had been drinking grape juice and everyone knew he was only drinking grape juice it would have been silly for the Pharisees to accuse him of being a drunkard.
Now if you still can't understand that then find a five year old to explain it to you.
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