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The faith spoken of is "not of you". And, it's doubtful whether the gift being spoken of is in relation to "faith" or even "grace", both being in the Gk. feminine gender, and "this" being in the Gk. neuter gender. Which leads me to believe that Paul is speaking of: the "faith of Christ". Christ's faith, or faithfulness, that saves us. That's the gift that saves (Rom 5:15-18). And man does not have the power to nullify, turn back, prevent, or undo (however you want to translate the Heb verb: שׁוּב) what God has done (Isa 43:13).
I agree with you Even if Paul isn't speaking of the Faith of Jesus Christ, nevertheless, the Faith here isn't of ourselves, its a product of Gods Grace, and accompanies Salvation by Grace from Eph 2:5. Remember believers by Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
What think thee? When Jesus said, "if you believe not I am He, you will die in your sins," what do you think this means?
It specifically refers to the Jews who wanted to stone and kill Him because of who He claimed to be, Charlie. They would die still "missing the mark" and not understanding God.
It specifically refers to the Jews who wanted to stone and kill Him because of who He claimed to be, Charlie. They would die still "missing the mark" and not understanding God.
It means this!
John 3:36
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
How can one believe on the Son when he has done nothing that needs forgiveness?
I agree with you Even if Paul isn't speaking of the Faith of Jesus Christ, nevertheless, the Faith here isn't of ourselves, its a product of Gods Grace, and accompanies Salvation by Grace from Eph 2:5. Remember believers by Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
The problem here stems from both parties simply do not understand what the scriptures are talking about when they talk about the wrath of God. Mystic sees the wrath of God in scripture much the same way you two do, thus rejects the wrath of God. Both parties here actually need to do a study on the wrath of God because you all are way off base.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
How can one believe on the Son when he has done nothing that needs forgiveness?
We ALL have done plenty that will need correcting (or pruning) from our spirit, Charlie, but God as Jesus has already forgiven us for not knowing what we do. How did you miss that Good News in His Gospel???
We ALL have done plenty that will need correcting (or pruning) from our spirit, Charlie, but God as Jesus has already forgiven us for not knowing what we do. How did you miss that Good News in His Gospel???
"God as Jesus"?
Modalism?
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