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Well, you tell Him that when you face Him trying to explain your promotion of the Bad News Gospel of fear of His wrath and vengeance instead of the Good News Gospel of His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness. Perhaps you can convince Him.
No need to convince Him; He is the one who convinced me of the very thing.
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
Most assuredly He has promised us everlasting life in John 3:16. Everlasting being the same word in Matthew 25:46, He has promised everlasting punishment to sinners who reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour..
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Wrong! But this has already been explained to you, ignoring that fact doesn't change anything.
Not only my reliance on the translation of man. Logic.
Because if, in Matthew 25:46, the punishment is merely age-during, and not everlasting, as we find it in the English, then in John 3:16, the life being spoken of is not everlasting but only age-during.
That means that for those who believe in Jesus, life will come to an end (be snuffed out).
Do an experiment. Hold your breath for five minutes without breathing at all. You will discover what it is to be in the process of being snuffed out. Ask yourself what it might feel like to be totally snuffed out. This is the fate of believers everywhere if the punishment is not everlasting but only age-during. It is the same Greek word in John 3:16 and so we can only have age-during life if we believe in Jesus; if we take the Universalist approach to Matthew 25:46.
I have a couple of times showed you our life in Christ is MUCH MORE then aionios life, but you rejected it the same way you are rejecting the aion and its adjective have a beginning and an end. You are allowing man to define what the word means instead of letting the scriptures. And the scriptures state aion and it adjective have a beginning and an end. Thus you simply place your doctrine ahead of the scriptures.
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I'll stick with the English on that, thank you very much.
I know you do, you would rather stick to the translation made by man instead of the scriptures God has kept which would be in their original language, which is one of the reason you are so screwed up in your doctrine.
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I said that the Holy Spirit is in hell (Psalms 139:7-8); not that He suffers there; for He is not made of flesh and therefore fire will not cause Him suffering.
Yet you say hell is a place of eternal torment to all who go there. Now you are saying only those who have flesh will be tormented and in this you again stumbled onto a truth for it is the flesh man, carnal man, old man nature that is tormented in the flames until that nature has been destroyed.
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That is for those who take the mark and who worship the beast and his image.
Those who never worship the beast and his image, and who never take the mark, can be in the presence of the Lamb apart from said torments.
You see but do not perceive. It is the old man nature that has the mark of the beast and it is the old man nature that is in torment as the presence of the lamb is being made manifest.
justbyfaith
What about the sinners Christ died for ? Those sinners that God commended His Love towards as here Rom 5:8
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Are they the same sinners God hates in Ps 5:5 ?
JBF does NOT properly divide the scripture. He applies the OT and Moses to everything essentially ignoring that Jesus instituted a New Covenant and revealed the True Nature of God as agape love and forgiveness. Most Christians do the same thing.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. He that believeth is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jesus John 3; 16,17,18.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. He that believeth is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jesus John 3; 16,17,18.
quoting scripture is not the same as understanding them.
JBF does NOT properly divide the scripture. He applies the OT and Moses to everything essentially ignoring that Jesus instituted a New Covenant and revealed the True Nature of God as agape love and forgiveness. Most Christians do the same thing.
Well no, there are some people God hates Ps 5:5;Rom 9:13. However they cant be the same ones He Loved, that should be obvious.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. He that believeth is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jesus John 3; 16,17,18.
Exactly so. John 3:16 shows that God's love motivated Him to send his unique Son into the world so that those who believe in the Son should have eternal life as opposed to those who do not believe remain un condemnation and will perish.
As F. F. Bruce, who was Rylands Professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis at the University of Mancheter, England writes concerning John 3:16,
The essence of the saving message is made unmistakably plain, in language which people of all races, cultures and times can grasp, and so effectively is it set forth in these words that many more, probably, have found the way of life through them than through any other biblical text.
To 'perish' (apolesthai) is the alternative to having 'eternal life' or (as verse 17 puts it) to being 'saved' (cf. 8:24, where those who refuse to believe in Jesus will 'die in their sins').
F. F. Bruce, The Gospel of John, p. 90
Or as stated by Edwin A. Blum, Professor of Theology and New Testament at Dallas Theological Seminary,
The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scrptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 282
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