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Don't get me wrong, I do believe in the age of accountability.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
It certainly doesn't sound like it from what you said earlier.
What I said earlier is that babies are even sinner by nature; and this does not contradict the idea that they will not be held accountable for their sins until they have a working knowledge of the difference between right and wrong.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
That has to do with the fact that you cannot comprehend the purpose of the Lake (i.e., haven) of fire. You have been so brainwashed with the false ideologies of HELL and DAMNATION that you cannot see anything else.
Nope; they are not false ideologies.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
EVERY MAN?
Jewade, who are these lucky people who were burned in the lake of fire, and then taken from the fire and saved?
Says all people, every man.
And yet all are saved, even from the fire? Who gets out of hell?
1 Corinthians
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Heck, looks like Paul is confused again, nobody gets out of hell do they Jerwade?
The fire in 1 Corinthians 3 is not the fire of hell.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
If you do not think that being "saved as by fire" refers to your refinement in the fire of God's consuming love, what fire do you think it refers to and why is that a different fire from your favorite hellfire????
We are not refined by the fire in 1 Corinthians 3; but rather our works will either be burned up or will remain as they are revealed by that fire; and if anyone's works remain, we will receive a reward.
What I said earlier is that babies are even sinner by nature; and this does not contradict the idea that they will not be held accountable for their sins until they have a working knowledge of the difference between right and wrong.
Okay, well I don't want to go back and try to find your post I was referring to, but if you mean that we are predisposed to sin by virtue of the fact that we are human beings, but not guilty of sin until we actually commit sin, then I agree.
Okay, well I don't want to go back and try to find your post I was referring to, but if you mean that we are predisposed to sin by virtue of the fact that we are human beings, but not guilty of sin until we actually commit sin, then I agree.
::Sigh:: All that means is that all of us "miss the mark" (sin) by nature because we are incapable of "hitting the mark" -- the mark being the PERFECT agape love and forgiveness of God's Holy Spirit as demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross. But we already knew that by our inability to PERFECTLY keep the law.
Sin is NOT some crime against God that deserves punishment!. It is a failing of our spirit to achieve what it is supposed to achieve. Thanks to Jesus, the burden of the need to achieve perfection has been removed from us by His Grace.
Okay, so that does take us back to your original statement. If a day-old baby dies, he dies guilty of being a sinner. I believe that "all" means "all who are capable of sinning have sinned," because it is impossible to sin without the ability to discern right from wrong. You know, sometimes we have to think logically about things and not just take each word as absolutely literal.
That has to do with the fact that you cannot comprehend the purpose of the Lake (i.e., haven) of fire. You have been so brainwashed with the false ideologies of HELL and DAMNATION that you cannot see anything else.
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
Nope; they are not false ideologies.
Whether you are willing to accept it or not, those doctrines are false. And, you follow a syncetistic belief. Although, you are free to believe, whatever you believe or desire. Personally, I do not consider you as a representative of anything, other than what you have been brainwashed into believing. And I have no interest in arguing with your ignorance.
Whether you are willing to accept it or not, those doctrines are false. And, you follow a syncetistic belief. Although, you are free to believe, whatever you believe or desire. Personally, I do not consider you as a representative of anything, other than what you have been brainwashed into believing. And I have no interest in arguing with your ignorance.
The scripture is the standard, right, Jerwade?
Why don't you show JBF in scripture where he is wrong?
Whether you are willing to accept it or not, those doctrines are false. And, you follow a syncetistic belief. Although, you are free to believe, whatever you believe or desire. Personally, I do not consider you as a representative of anything, other than what you have been brainwashed into believing. And I have no interest in arguing with your ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
The scripture is the standard, right, Jerwade?
Why don't you show JBF in scripture where he is wrong?
Hey Jerwade, Good Luck! LOL
I have no reason to consider them as the standard or authority, especially when mixed and blended with false beliefs that were designed to control the masses of people who remain ignorant, and have no desire to educate themselves. If you have made the choice of believing in a false hellhole - that's on you!
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