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Old 09-07-2021, 11:54 PM
 
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The existence of hypocrites "in the church" only indicates that Christianity draws sinners into its ranks because it offers forgiveness to sinners.

However, as you noted, Jerwade, the people whom you rebuked, they changed their ways, didn't they?

Which indicates that Jesus catches the fish and then He cleans them.

People may not be perfect when they come to faith in Christ; and they may even be abject sinners; but God does not leave them that way.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:57 PM
 
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You are absolutely mistaken. Anybody who thinks a newborn baby has sinned by doing nothing more than crying when he is hungry and messing his diaper is simply beyond reasoning with, in my opinion. I wish it were not the case, but it clearly is.
If a full-grown adult were to make a mess in his underwear, it would surely be a cause for shame.

But we make excuses for babies because they are so little and don't know any better.

Nevertheless, the messing of his diaper is "uncleanness" which is identified as a work of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-21; and something which if one practices, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe in the age of accountability.
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Old 09-08-2021, 03:38 AM
 
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Don't forget that I spent many decades in the Church.
All the church's are not the true church, Jerwade! The true church is made up of true believers in Christ from all over the world, whatever denomination they are or are not!

There are Jews and Gentiles in this one true church, rich and poor, from all walks in life. They are not all of the same congregation together on Sunday morning but they all have one thing in common, they have been washed in the Blood of the Lamb.

Most of those sitting on the pews on Sunday morning are not of the one true church! They are waiting to hear, "depart from Me, I never knew you!" They are entering the wide gate to destruction, but those of the one true church have found the narrow gate, and as Jesus said, few there be that find it!
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Old 09-08-2021, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Don't forget that I spent many decades in the Church.
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All the church's are not the true church, Jerwade!
I wasn't talking about all the Churches or your particular beliefs, although I have attended several.
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Old 09-08-2021, 06:53 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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We die because we are mortals and mortals die. Once Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden, they had the ever-present threat of death hanging over them. They could die within the week or years later, but eventually mortal bodies succumb to disease or illness. If a day-old baby with a severe heart defect dies, it is because of that heart defect and not because it committed some sin.
We die because we are living things, and all living things die. All plants and all animals eventually die. Humans are no exception to this rule.
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Old 09-08-2021, 07:31 AM
 
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We all have to die—we're like water spilled out on the ground that can't be gathered up again. But God doesn't take life away; instead, he makes plans so those banished from him don't stay that way.
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Old 09-08-2021, 07:42 AM
 
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We all have to die—we're like water spilled out on the ground that can't be gathered up again. But God doesn't take life away; instead, he makes plans so those banished from him don't stay that way.
It's true all life on earth will eventually die because sin came into this world by man.

But all men will be resurrected from the dead and be reunited with the soul.

Nowhere is scripture does it say "the banished from Him don't stay that way!"

In fact it says the very opposite!

Rev. 22:11

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:20 AM
 
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Your god must be a horrible, horrible individual. He must be utterly lacking in compassion and mercy. It is absolutely beyond me how people can worship such a god.
Interesting how you say "your god"

So you believe that Mormons and Baptists have different Gods?
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I'm sorry, BF, but you don't quote someone whose ideas you disagree with in order to promote those ideas.
Actually, yes. Paul did it on occasion, and Jude made reference to extra-Biblical books. It was a way to relate to the reader.
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If God is the Father of spirits, then He is the Father of all spirits. All spirits originated from God. Nobody else has ever had the ability to create a human spirit. We are all the offspring of the same God. That certainly doesn't mean He's equally pleased with us, but if He hadn't created us, we wouldn't be here, and that goes for every last one of us.
Define "spirit", please.

You seem to want to use the word to encompass a whole range of things that the biblical writer may or may not have meant.

And define "father", please. Again, you may be attempting to use it in a way that simply isn't intended.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Interesting how you say "your god"

So you believe that Mormons and Baptists have different Gods?
I knew for sure that you were going to say that. No, we worship the exact same God, but we sure do have different ideas about what kind of a deity He is.

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Actually, yes. Paul did it on occasion, and Jude made reference to extra-Biblical books. It was a way to relate to the reader.
Whenever they did, they would clear up any false beliefs in the process. They would compare and contrast the false belief with the true belief. They wouldn't continue to build upon that belief as if it were true.

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Define "spirit", please.
The essence of life, the non-corporeal part of a human being created by God that gives life to a physical body.

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And define "father", please. Again, you may be attempting to use it in a way that simply isn't intended.
He who begets offspring. The fatherhood of God was one of the first Christian doctrines that came to be misunderstood in the years after Christ's death. It was always a foundational truth of the Christian gospel.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Don't get me wrong, I do believe in the age of accountability.
It certainly doesn't sound like it from what you said earlier.
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