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Old 09-07-2021, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Covetousness.
What? You're going to have to explain that one.

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There most certainly is.
You have got to be kidding. I would absolutely love to hear more on this subject. Please provide me with one scientific study in which this gene is even mentioned in passing. Honestly, I've got to admit that I'm starting to be curious as to your level of education.
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Old 09-07-2021, 06:53 PM
 
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They are sinners, by nature. (Eph 2:3-5)
Your god must be a horrible, horrible individual. He must be utterly lacking in compassion and mercy. It is absolutely beyond me how people can worship such a god.

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You know he was quoting a pagan poet, right? He was quoting a pagan to some pagans, in an attempt to evangelize.
I'm sorry, BF, but you don't quote someone whose ideas you disagree with in order to promote those ideas.

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Not sure what your point is with this one. He's speaking to Christians. About God being our Father.
If God is the Father of spirits, then He is the Father of all spirits. All spirits originated from God. Nobody else has ever had the ability to create a human spirit. We are all the offspring of the same God. That certainly doesn't mean He's equally pleased with us, but if He hadn't created us, we wouldn't be here, and that goes for every last one of us.
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Old 09-07-2021, 06:57 PM
 
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The sin gene may not have been discovered by science; but it is revealed as being the case in holy scripture (Romans 5:12-14).

Covetousness is defined as wanting something that doesn't belong to you.

I suppose that it can be argued that the mother's milk belongs to the baby; but I think that it becomes clear early on in the baby's development that they have desires that go beyond what belongs to them.

When I was three years old, my mother read to me the ten commandments.

#1-#9, I thought, I'm good.

#10..."what's coveting mommy?"

When she gave the definition, I knew that I was guilty, because when my Bepa took me to the toy store, I always pointed out the toy that I "wanted".

Fact of the matter is, the toy didn't belong to me. And the fact that my Bepa would get it for me didn't change that fact.
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:01 PM
 
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Your god must be a horrible, horrible individual. He must be utterly lacking in compassion and mercy. It is absolutely beyond me how people can worship such a god.

I'm sorry, BF, but you don't quote someone whose ideas you disagree with in order to promote those ideas.

If God is the Father of spirits, then He is the Father of all spirits. All spirits originated from God. Nobody else has ever had the ability to create a human spirit. We are all the offspring of the same God. That certainly doesn't mean He's equally pleased with us, but if He hadn't created us, we wouldn't be here, and that goes for every last one of us.
Only those who are born again have regenerated and renewed spirits.

Those who have not been regenerated and renewed are "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1) and therefore have no relationship to the Father. They are dead to Him.
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:03 PM
 
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The sin gene may not have been discovered by science; but it is revealed as being the case in holy scripture (Romans 5:12-14).
Oh my gosh. This naivety is quite frankly unbelievable.

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Covetousness is defined as wanting something that doesn't belong to you.
You have to be able to understand the difference between right and wrong in order to sin. A baby is not capable of doing so. A sin is a willful offense against religious or moral law. Babies don't understand religious or moral laws. They can't willfully choose to disobey something they cannot possibly understand.

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I suppose that it can be argued that the mother's milk belongs to the baby; but I think that it becomes clear early on in the baby's development that they have desires that go beyond what belongs to them.
We don't need to argue anything so silly as that. A baby wants his mother's milk because he is hungry. And being hungry is NOT A SIN.
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Only those who are born again have regenerated and renewed spirits.

Those who have not been regenerated and renewed are "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1) and therefore have no relationship to the Father. They are dead to Him.
Well, that's certainly a relief. At least I have been born again, so I don't need to worry.
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:21 PM
 
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Katzpur, you have not been born again unless you have come to God admitting that you are a sinner and casting yourself upon His mercy (Luke 18:9-14).
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:26 PM
 
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Oh my gosh. This naivety is quite frankly unbelievable.

You have to be able to understand the difference between right and wrong in order to sin. A baby is not capable of doing so. A sin is a willful offense against religious or moral law. Babies don't understand religious or moral laws. They can't willfully choose to disobey something they cannot possibly understand.

We don't need to argue anything so silly as that. A baby wants his mother's milk because he is hungry. And being hungry is NOT A SIN.
It is true that sin is not imputed where there is no law (understanding of what is right and wrong).

However, it should be clear, if you study out Romans 5:12-14, that people still sinned even though there was no law; it simply wasn't imputed to them because they technically were not transgressing...that is, violating a known commandment.

It should also be clear that sin is an element that dwells within the mortal flesh of humankind (1 John 1:8).

Sin was definitely passed down to us from Adam through his descendants even our ancestors.

It is not merely transgressing the law...it is something that all of us "have" (1 John 1:8)...including a newborn baby straight out of its mother's womb (Psalms 58:3).
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:37 PM
 
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The sin gene may not have been discovered by science; but it is revealed as being the case in holy scripture (Romans 5:12-14).

Covetousness is defined as wanting something that doesn't belong to you.

I suppose that it can be argued that the mother's milk belongs to the baby; but I think that it becomes clear early on in the baby's development that they have desires that go beyond what belongs to them.

When I was three years old, my mother read to me the ten commandments.

#1-#9, I thought, I'm good.

#10..."what's coveting mommy?"

When she gave the definition, I knew that I was guilty, because when my Bepa took me to the toy store, I always pointed out the toy that I "wanted".

Fact of the matter is, the toy didn't belong to me. And the fact that my Bepa would get it for me didn't change that fact.
That made me sad. You've been carrying around stuff like that since you were 3?
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:43 PM
 
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That made me sad. You've been carrying around stuff like that since you were 3?
Don't be sad, it is no problem.

I am forgiven of all of my sins through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ as it was shed for me on the Cross.
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