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Old 09-21-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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Latest National Polls

Sep. 14-20 USC Dornsife/LA Times Trump +4, unskewed by 538 to be a tie.
Sep. 18-19 YouGov Clinton +2, unskewed by 538 to Clinton +1

538 NowCast Clinton 53% chance of winning, Trump 47%

 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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538's now cast has Trump with 262.2 electoral votes and Clinton with 275.0. 50/50 race at this point.

Trump is 62.1% to win NC and that's without the latest PPP poll factored in.

39.3% to win NH.
60.0% to win NV
32.5% to win WI
32.4% to win MA
59.3% to win FL
66.8% to win OH
76.2% to win IA
41.7% to win CO
81.5% to win AZ

Looks like he has a pretty good chance of going Romney states + FL, OH, NV and NH. However, he could lose NH and pick up CO.

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Old 09-21-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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cities are burning and ISIS is terrorizing on Obama's watch. Trump wins. Get back with me on Nov. 9
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Austin
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[snip]If there ever was a "silent majority" it would be Clinton supporters -- they barely make a peep, don't show bumperstickers, no yard signs -- but a quiet vote is worth the same as a loud one.
Yep, that "silent majority"---like hedge fund moguls, the Bush family, Hollywood stars, corporate media outlets, the House of Saud---loves Hillary!
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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His supporters are truly more terrifying than he is. The double standard in this election is ridiculous. Trump can do everything corrupt, shady, and dishonest that Hillary does, and no one cares.
I felt the same way lat fall when a poll was floated out there that 69% of pro Clinton voters felt she was not trustworthy enough to be President
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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If those aren't poll averages, are they the most recent for each or are you cherry picking?

Edit: reread your thread.
They were the most current for when I posted them (per Real Clear Politics) and none were two-way because that's bs. Stein and Johnson impact Trump and Clinton except where Stein isn't on the ballot.

I don't believe in averaging because of different polling methodologies. You may recall the big brouhaha in the primaries when we found out two different polling outfits with way different results used two different methods to define "likely voters." We only realized it because they came out within a day of each other. One of the pollsters figured it out themselves when the media finally woke up and asked why they were so disparate.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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cities are burning and ISIS is terrorizing on Obama's watch. Trump wins. Get back with me on Nov. 9
Obama just killed the 2nd in command of ISIS. What's Trump going to do that Obama hasn't? He already said he's going to follow Obama's immigration plan, because it's working.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by eddiehaskell View Post
538's now cast has Trump with 262.2 electoral votes and Clinton with 275.0. 50/50 race at this point.

Trump is 62.1% to win NC and that's without the latest PPP poll factored in.

39.3% to win NH.
60.0% to win NV
32.5% to win WI
32.4% to win MA
59.3% to win FL
66.8% to win OH
76.2% to win IA
41.7% to win CO
81.5% to win AZ

Looks like he has a pretty good chance of going Romney states + FL, OH, NV and NH. However, he could lose NH and pick up CO.
Clinton 275 Trump 262 is not a tie. It's a Clinton win.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Clinton 275 Trump 262 is not a tie. It's a Clinton win.
Look at the percentage to win - Trump is mid-high 40s - thus, based on his model you can't really say "it's a Clinton win". It's essentially too close to call. Imagine putting 11 red balls and 9 blue balls in a hat - would you say definitely that I'm going to draw out a red ball? It's basically a coin toss at this point.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Look at the percentage to win - Trump is mid-high 40s - thus, based on his model you can't really say "it's a Clinton win". It's essentially too close to call. Imagine putting 11 red balls and 9 blue balls in a hat - would you say definitely that I'm going to draw out a red ball? It's basically a coin toss at this point.
It's a Bayesian probability model. It's sort of with what we know now, Clinton will probably win. The red/blue ball thing is not the same. It's also based on some pretty sorry media polling but I don't want to get into those discussions.

The number to watch IMO: the percent of people who think Trump is qualified to be president. It's around 40 right now. He's got to bring that up or it's lights out for him. Maybe he can do so at the debates.
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