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Oh I would let Ukraine deal with their nationalists, but see - Ukraine is not all that "sovereign" as you are trying to imagine. It's economically-dependent on other nations, and these other nations become players in Ukrainian internal affairs. That's why "dealing with Ukrainian nationalists" is not quite "internal affair."
I'm not trying to imagine anything. YOU are. The fact is a fact: Ukraine is a sovereign country, either you like it or not. It's economic dependency doesn't change the fact.
Therefore, the current military operation in Ukraine is nothing less than a military intervention in its internal affairs.
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I think about Ukraine rather as part of the Russian Empire - inseparable part of it since... oh, 1654? This should explain a thing or two, why when separated, Ukraine became a failed state.
Again, the fact that Ukraine once was a part of the Russian Empire does not change anything. It is a separate country now. Times are changing. Get used to it!
Either Ukraine is a failed state or not is not relevant to the fact that Ukraine is a separate, independent country now. The more Russians will intervene, the more "nationalistic" and anti-Russian Ukraine will become.
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Really? Would be a good compromise Russia didn't even want Crimea initially, but Crimea asked to become part of Russia.
Two options on the ballot:
- Are you in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?
- Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?
The restoration of the 1992 Constitution would make Crimea de facto independent. Aksyonov made clear, though, that they would choose to join Russia immediately.
So people simply can't vote for "Status quo is fine with me". There is no compromise in sight.
And a subject time at inhabitants of the Crimea already problems with cash. These are people who can't receive cash in the ATM because the Parliament of the Crimea entered restriction not cash withdrawal - 300 hryvnias (these are 30 dollars for one person)....
And it is an Euromaidan in the east of Ukraine (Donetsk).
These people were attacked by provokers (supporters of Russia) and killed one man. 10 more people in hospital...
- Are you in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?
- Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?
The restoration of the 1992 Constitution would make Crimea de facto independent. Aksyonov made clear, though, that they would choose to join Russia immediately.
So people simply can't vote for "Status quo is fine with me". There is no compromise in sight.
Well, I suppose the point is that Crimea must become much more autonomous than it currently is under the centralist pseudo-government in Kiev.
Now, if people choose the second option, will there be sanctions on the Ukraine?
There is so much nonsense that it is possible to write jokes. examined the causes of the riots before blaming Russia. Is not the new Nazis staged with the support of their U.S. funding and 2 Ukrainian oligarchs whose finances are in the U.S.? Or is it Russian came and started smashing things around? Stop writing jokes.
So your mind can't comprehend a possibility of people (>50% Russian speaking people) coming together to protest? Your Russian propaganda sources forgot to mention that pro EU meeting (hundreds of thousands of people, btw) was dispersing on its own, the next morning the square would've been empty, Yanukovich would have had all the power and all his loot if somebody up the command chain wouldn't have given orders to beat the remaining protesters up, to give an obedience lesson a mini Russian/Chinese style, so people would think twice before coming together to protest again. The next day the square was full of hundreds of thousands of people outraged about brutal beatings, damn evil West and nazi were so fast distributing their dollars among protesters. And that's this second protest that Yanukovich (and his Russian friends) couldn't control. As we all know, everything that balding Russian schizoid in chief can't control is funded by the US.
Thus, great leader Putin kicked off invasion scenario, of course an invasion on that scale didn't take any advance planning at all. Warm and fuzzy Russians couldn't possibly scheme and plan to destroy their neighbor given an opportunity. And it's not over yet, Russians are trying desperately to jump start a civil war (or at least bloodshed) in the Eastern Ukraine. All those pro-Russian supporters (many with Russian passports) beat and from now on kill their neighbors with different opinions out of their own will (no Russian funding or encouragement, that never happens). Russia is a bonafide fascist state run by a lunatic, face it now, because things will get much uglier in the future and you'll face that truth anyway.
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Russia didn't even want Crimea initially, but Crimea asked to become part of Russia.
