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Good morning from USA. I have been reading this thread in the hopes of gaining a better understanding of others' perspectives as to what is going on in Russia & Ukraine. I am not too far in this thread yet - maybe a quarter thru, & hope that I will see answers to why it's happening; if the burden of blame is shared by both countries; and why or why not the USA should be involved.
I am not ashamed to admit that I really don't get any of it. Does it really come down to Russia amassing a wealth of land at any cost? If the USA was more dependent on itself for oil & gas, would the sanctions even be in place? I read often & hear on various programs that USA should stay out of it and let Ukraine defend itself. Which means I need to read up on NATO, because I thought we were part of an allied understanding and have a global obligation to help if we can.
I see the images on the news of bloodied children and destroyed buildings - whatever the future of Ukraine may be, it is heartwarming to see countrymen stepping up to volunteer to save it. But will it be enough?
The Ukraine isn't part of NATO and therefore there is no U.S. obligation toward them. I think a big reason for why Russia made their move is their desire to keep it that way.
I'm from eastern europe, more or less bordering Ukraine (depends...), but I guess you know about the matter so enlighten me? And how is supporting freedom being "Hitler"...either you're drunk or worse. It makes no different for me if it's Tatarstan, Taiwan or Eastern Ukraine - until someone shows me evidence that the referendums are fake I'm not going to support america/russia blindly like people like you.
Had the opportunity to visit Varna Bulgaria and Odessa Ukraine in 1995. Hate to imagine the progress made being reduced to rubble by advancing Russian troops.
isn't decades ago kennedy threaten nuclear war if soviet union provide missiles to cuba?
why the west/ nato give false hope to ukrainians if they are not accepting Ukraine as nato member..
and how stupid is zelenski believes other countries will send soldiers to fight russia if there is an invasion, politicians will only benefit from wars, they don't care the average ppl suffer.
It's easy to blame both parties and clearly some of the Russian soldiers will be guilty for killing civilians, yet since it's a war and there should be a winner - it should be Russia.
Morally so because in the West it is forgotten the grotesque story of how ukrainian soldier was eating literally heart of a russian and mind you this is just the tip of the iceberg - for many years the ukrainian "army" is torturing people who have democratically voted to leave Ukraine, a referendum even verified by the UN and many others, ultimately rejected because western politicians didn't like the reality of America becoming irrelevant in eastern europe (yeah as if covid and loosing to China wasn't enough for america...).
Last news seem optimistic though, godspeed - Ukraine has agreed to remain neutral towards the joke called "nato" and if this is really true and not fake news it will be one of the most successful operations in military history:
Good morning from USA. I have been reading this thread in the hopes of gaining a better understanding of others' perspectives as to what is going on in Russia & Ukraine. I am not too far in this thread yet - maybe a quarter thru, & hope that I will see answers to why it's happening; if the burden of blame is shared by both countries; and why or why not the USA should be involved.
I am not ashamed to admit that I really don't get any of it. Does it really come down to Russia amassing a wealth of land at any cost? If the USA was more dependent on itself for oil & gas, would the sanctions even be in place? I read often & hear on various programs that USA should stay out of it and let Ukraine defend itself. Which means I need to read up on NATO, because I thought we were part of an allied understanding and have a global obligation to help if we can.
I see the images on the news of bloodied children and destroyed buildings - whatever the future of Ukraine may be, it is heartwarming to see countrymen stepping up to volunteer to save it. But will it be enough?
Instead of bringing you closer to the truth, reading this thread will leave you more confused. And give you a big headache.
And that's precisely the expletive I was referring to yesterday, when I've said that during his speech on "decommunisation of Ukraine" I saw that Putin was up to something, judging by his face expression.
This is precisely the expletive that the Ukrainian Nazi were always taunting him with..
So...
Kaa; "And they ( the monkeys) called me a worm?"
Bagira; "Yes-yes."
Kaa; "And they called me a big yellow fish?"
Bagira; "Yes-yes, and they called you a frog too."
And then came THIS; (It happened to be so, that the "Banderlogs" that Kaa is addressing here, is a nick name for the Bandera followers, the Ukrainian Nazi.)
"Come closer, Banderlogs...
Do you see me well?
Do you hear me well?
Also, the President of the Dominican Republic officially reproaches Putin's invasion and show support for the Ukraine in a declaration asking for the war to end. This is one of the first declarations in support of the Ukraine in Latin America. https://mobile.twitter.com/luisabina...715393/photo/1
Dominican Republic knows what is like to be invaded and defend the country, because it has been invaded many times during the 19th and 20th centuries.
First indications of the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia.
Zelensky asked for it, and Russia declined it initially, but then a bit later they've said that they don't exclude such possibility to revive Minsk negotiations, now Minsk-3.
Lukashenko is ready to host it.
Putin is not going there, but ready to send delegation of the high-ranking officials.
His conditions are the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.
No more glorification of Bandera ( and the rest of the Nazi collaborators during WWII,) no prohibition of Russian language and change of the external politics of Ukraine.
Keeping in mind the danger of the situation - i.e. the civilians trapped inside the big cities and the readiness of the Nationalists to use them as a live shield, that's a good development.
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