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Old 09-03-2014, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I'm talking about the close up pictures he took of the executions and torturings of Ukrainian soldiers.
And of course you can prove it. Or as in the case of the Boeing airliner, you can only gab?
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Old 09-03-2014, 03:19 AM
 
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I'm talking about the close up pictures he took of the executions and torturings of Ukrainian soldiers. He basically assisted the DNR in spreading their propaganda not unlike those guys that taped the beheading of the American journalists or the guys that documented the murders of the Khmer Rouge for them.
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Missing Russian reporter in E. Ukraine may be arrested ? Kiev official ? RT News


It's this very "dead" soldier in the video.
The DNR people sure interrogate him, but when you see him wreathing in pain - that's because the doctor is working on him already on a spot - he is definitely seriously wounded, and that's what you can see when he is laying on the ground. I assure you listening to the video - they have no intention of killing him; during the whole investigation they keep on telling him that they are planning on sending him to a hospital.
At 6:58 I can hear the same interrogator saying to nurses "try to save his life...( *cussing*) he is only 20 years old." Then you see him being prepared for operation, and the DNR rep is asking him again whether he is taken care of - the Ukrainian soldier thanks him, and I can hear as well that nurses are very nice and gentle with him.

So if we are talking about this particular episode - Stenin is simply doing his job of a war correspondent; he is not "assisting" anyone with torture and murder.

( Those are his works by the way - http://rt.com/news/179724-stenin-jou...hotos-ukraine/ )

P.S. The last I've heard the DNR fighters are getting ready to take Mariupol, but they refuse to bomb the city, because it means bombing civilians.

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Old 09-03-2014, 03:21 AM
 
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And of course you can prove it. Or as in the case of the Boeing airliner, you can only gab?
It takes some digging and sorting things out.
I see/hear about it all for the first time myself.
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Old 09-03-2014, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Russia
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It takes some digging and sorting things out.
I see/hear about it all for the first time myself.
I have heard that the Ukrainian bloggers accused Stenin of aiding militants . But I think it's part of the information warfare (propaganda).

For example (18+):

67viktor -
or
http://ukrainewarlog.blogspot.co.uk/...rture-war.html

Western media always gladly pick up any information that exposes the rebels in bad shape, often without checking its authenticity.
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Old 09-03-2014, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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So if we are talking about this particular episode - Stenin is simply doing his job of a war correspondent; he is not "assisting" anyone with torture and murder.

( Those are his works by the way - Pictures of courage: A look at the acclaimed work of missing Russian photographer Andrey Stenin ? RT News )

P.S. The last I've heard the DNR fighters are getting ready to take Mariupol, but they refuse to bomb the city, because it means bombing civilians.
No, I wasn't talking about this incident, I was talking about his photos of beat up Ukrainian soldiers and the corpses of their comrades. Conveniently left out by the photo stream of RT, by the way.

Think about it this way: what would you think about a Ukrainian "journalist" roaming around with the Azov Bataillon happily shooting pics of dead Russian soldiers and how the Ukrainians beat up the ones that are left. Then they stage a nice little exhibition of said photos called "photos of courage".

Russia would probably think that's a reason for a full on war.
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Old 09-03-2014, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Russia
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No, I wasn't talking about this incident, I was talking about his photos of beat up Ukrainian soldiers and the corpses of their comrades. Conveniently left out by the photo stream of RT, by the way.

Think about it this way: what would you think about a Ukrainian "journalist" roaming around with the Azov Bataillon happily shooting pics of dead Russian soldiers and how the Ukrainians beat up the ones that are left. Then they stage a nice little exhibition of said photos called "photos of courage".

Russia would probably think that's a reason for a full on war.
Happily? Are you mad?
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:21 AM
 
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no big deal. IMO.
And probably not to Putin. But to Ukraine and the Baltics I think a much different story. So much that the latter want NATO assurance of protection if he says the same regarding Vilnius, Riga or Tallinn.

I'd say Putin has won a pretty good victory so far in Ukraine in that he knows the West will not put troops down in the country. I'm afraid the country has been written off as in the Russian sphere of influence. Is this good or bad? Don't know right now. But I know it makes Putin feel good. But once more NATO troops get put down in the particpating countries his demeanor will change.

And of course the hanky-panky beginning anew. Then the current Ukrainain situation might be seen as a bad deal for the West. All it my do is have Putin get more confidence in his forays into outher countries. A mess and a prescription for possible continental war.
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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No, I wasn't talking about this incident, I was talking about his photos of beat up Ukrainian soldiers and the corpses of their comrades. Conveniently left out by the photo stream of RT, by the way.

Think about it this way: what would you think about a Ukrainian "journalist" roaming around with the Azov Bataillon happily shooting pics of dead Russian soldiers and how the Ukrainians beat up the ones that are left. Then they stage a nice little exhibition of said photos called "photos of courage".
No, it's usual Ukrainian propaganda, their hysteria and "investigation" into Stenin's "war crimes."
If you google "Stenin/dead soldiers" - that's precisely what you'll get - the images of the very same soldier, allegedly "tortured to death" by DNR. As the video proves however, that's clearly not the case.
Then there are other images of dead Ukrainian soldiers, but as horrific as they are - they are not "tortured to death" - they are dead as the result of the battle.

Russian journalist Andrej Stenin photographed without remorse the torture and murder of Ukrainian soldiers. #Ukraine | Veooz 360

67viktor -

Ukraine: War Log: Russian Soldiers Commit Torture & War Crimes In Ukraine

The RIA Novosti accepted these pictures for what they were; after all Stenin was a war correspondent.
So all this Stenin's "collaboration" in "torture" and "beating" of captured Ukrainian soldiers is just that - a hysteria. If Ukrainian correspondents would be standing by during the torture of DNR soldiers (and it's a known fact that some of them were tortured and sometimes - to death,) then yes, I'd consider them accessory to a crime. If they'd go on a battle field, taking pictures of the dead, or taking pictures of the captured soldiers in distress - no, I wouldn't consider it a crime. After all, they are war correspondents and that's what war is all about.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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P.S. I see the investigative committee of R.F. came to the conclusion that Stenin has been killed as the result of the shelling of the column of refugees by Ukrainian army. There were more then ten cars with civilians destroyed that day on that particular road.

http://russian.rt.com/article/48250
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY.
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Default Articles on Ukrainian Fascist forces.

All of the following articles, mags, op/eds, call the Ukrainian government and armed forces fascist and neo-nazi.
Do any pro-Kiev supporters have a response?

Preparing for War with Ukraine
"the wolfsangel ("wolf trap") symbol that was widely used in the Third Reich and has been adopted by neo-Nazi groups."
"The Azov Battalion... this openly neo-Nazi unit... whose emblem also includes the "Black Sun" occult symbol used by the Nazi SS, was founded by Andriy Biletsky, head of the neo-Nazi groups Social-National Assembly and Patriots of Ukraine."

Israel Backs Fascist Putsch, Supports neo-Nazi anti-Semitic Forces in Ukraine | Global Research
"the growth of neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic forces in Ukraine and the critical role they played in the Western-backed coup. the fact that the US and the European powers had for months been financing and working with fascist organisations, such as the Svoboda party and the Right Sector, to bring down the Yanukovych regime."
The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research

Ignoring Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers | Consortiumnews
Opinion: Rein in Ukraine's neo-fascists - CNN.com
Fascist atrocities mount as US-backed regime assaults eastern Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...paratists.html
And many many more. Just do a Google search for 'Fascist Ukraine forces army maidan revolution'.
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