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Old 09-08-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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* Ukrainian media was trying to convince its readers for some time that the bombing of the first governmental building in Lugansk was executed by the DNR fighters, because aiming at Ukrainian airplane from the man-pad, they've allegedly somehow accidentally hit the air-conditioner in the building - that's what the referral in the poem was about.

P.S Yatzenuk is losing it, apparently. Or rather he was not realistic to begin with.
There's not much critical thought attached to the reporting in this whole situation here with a few exceptions, one surprisingly on CNN of all things. I find the BBC one of the worst. This article is filled with disinformation and downright lies.

BBC News - MH17 disaster: Russians 'controlled BUK missile system'

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Pro-Russian rebels have denied any possession of a BUK.
This is a lie, I have seen several vids of rebels with a BUK and some ground commanders referring to it. Even the Ukies admitted the DNR jacked one from them back in June from a motor pool.

The part about accents is heresy, it would never stand up in a court of law anywhere.
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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Humanitarian convoy Ukrainian army.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw3snXMIYAEYNCd.jpg
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:54 PM
 
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There's not much critical thought attached to the reporting in this whole situation here with a few exceptions, one surprisingly on CNN of all things. I find the BBC one of the worst. This article is filled with disinformation and downright lies.

BBC News - MH17 disaster: Russians 'controlled BUK missile system'
"eyewitnesses have told Panorama"(c)

Where are the results of the official investigation?
Where to record conversations pilots with Ukrainian controllers?
Only the western propaganda.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:16 AM
 
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but bottom again is again: Ukraine should either be equal with other europeans
or be a servant to the EU (or Putin).
On the 'servant ot the EU or Putin' I'm not exactly sure what's meant but if it suggests some 'kow-towing' I can't see Ukraine standing for that. It has to be out of the question. From all that's happened I'm afraid Putin just will not ever agree to a Ukraine measurably leaning much more to the West. It would be catastrophic in light of Russian history. On the other hand even our Rossiyan posters here must agree that if the conflict is to stop Ukraine must have some sort of autonomy where every foreign policy decision isn't for dissection on whether it is inimical to 'Russian' interests.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:35 AM
 
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MH-17 Preliminary Report. From the Dutch. We all know it was a SAM with a proximity warhead, my personal opinion is that the seps mistakenly shot it down thinking it was a Ukrainian military aircraft.

Dutch Safety Board | Investigations & Publication | Investigation crash MH17, 17 July 2014
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Finally, after months and months, making mainstream news;

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - World News

Of course the naysayers will throw up excuse after excuse, just as the naysayers did with the Syrian rebels. But then again, many naysayers actually support nazis...
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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Finally, after months and months, making mainstream news;

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - World News

Of course the naysayers will throw up excuse after excuse, just as the naysayers did with the Syrian rebels. But then again, many naysayers actually support nazis...
have you a picture
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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have you a picture
Here is a better link, for some reason the first link just goes to comments, you have to click "back to article" to read the article:

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - NBC News

The pics and videos are all over the Internet, you just have to google it. This has been known before Yanukovich was even ousted, yet plenty of people just summed it up as "Russian propaganda", and ignoring everyone's concerns over the actions of these nazi types.

The more concerning issue stemming from this is; this can be regarded as a humanitarian excuse for Russia to intervene, no different than other countries like the US targeting Islamic radical forces in another country or supporting rebels against a perceived hostile regime, which would further undermine the legitimacy of the West's actions, or at least curtail it some as it relates to supporting Petro.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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Proof you don't have to know how to march to be a soldier, just carry a large can of whoop ass with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqpdHkBnLX4
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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Pretty good analyses of the situation.
At least for now.

Tough decision ahead on status of eastern Ukraine | Europe | DW.DE | 09.09.2014

Will the E.U want to do anything with Ukraine without Donbass/Eastern Ukraine?
That's a good question.
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