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Old 03-06-2014, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Wow, Watching the evening news in the USA and reading most American media news outlets and nothing about the leaked conversation between the Estonian foreign minister and the EU foreign minister about the protesters and policeman were killed by the same snipers and the Yanukovych government was most likely not responsible for these deaths. The new Ukraine government is unwilling to investigate about these revelations. All you hear is crickets chirping over here when trying find any coverage of that important revelation.
Estonia denies leaked call implicates Ukraine protesters in killings

On videos you clearly see SBU/police snipers and Maidan activists with rifles. Both are shooting. How could anyone claim that only Maidan activists killed people. "Olga" seems to be a bit biased on that issue.

And by the way, you could also pick up a newspaper at times. This phone call was covered extensively.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Maintaining public order isn't even a task that's up to military, that's what the police force should do. Maintaining order is even less a task a foreign army should be involved in.

This is especially true when "maintaining order" only seems to include disarmig the local military.
That the new government is doing with the police we saw in Kiev.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Yes, it seems that the council Crimea decided to join the Russian Federation.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:58 AM
 
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That the new government is doing with the police we saw in Kiev.
Thought all Crimeans, including policemen, would support the pro-Russian Crimean government?
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Estonia denies leaked call implicates Ukraine protesters in killings

On videos you clearly see SBU/police snipers and Maidan activists with rifles. Both are shooting. How could anyone claim that only Maidan activists killed people. "Olga" seems to be a bit biased on that issue.

And by the way, you could also pick up a newspaper at times. This phone call was covered extensively.
Its not even known about here in the USA. I just happen to find out about it because I read news updates from the British Broadcasting Corporation on my phone at work yesterday. It from page news here now the news anchor of Russian Times quit on air because she felt the Russian news agency was whitewashing the news. Mmnnn talking about whitewashing the main incident that forced Yanukovich out of office was the 100 deaths during the Kiev protests is now being attributed towards increasingly towards a third party whose main goal was to create circumstances that would force Yanukovich out of office and bring a new Ukrainian government in office as in the leaked conversation of the US ambassador Victoria Nuland more compliant to the interests of the USA.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:05 AM
 
Location: Minsk, Belarus
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Are there any precedents in modern history (last few decades) when a certain territory seceded from one country and then joined another one? I can't think of any to be honest... It's something from the past, from the WW era.
It may become a dangerous precedent which can contribute to even more separatism all over the world.
Putin is going too far. This conflict in any case won't do any good to anyone, including Russia herself.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Well we know the main reason the western media is not talking about this revelation as they are doing with the other usual rhetoric about Ukraine is they (US government) know that this strengthens the Russian position in the great debate. They know this would discredit the new Ukraine government.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:36 AM
 
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Thought all Crimeans, including policemen, would support the pro-Russian Crimean government?
No, not all. But likely that a substantial part of them. Anyway, so it seems now.
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:18 AM
 
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I don't want the peninsula. That's a gamble. There are the reasons for the gamble, but why should I pay? A large price or a small price, it doesn't matter.
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Well we know the main reason the western media is not talking about this revelation as they are doing with the other usual rhetoric about Ukraine is they (US government) know that this strengthens the Russian position in the great debate. They know this would discredit the new Ukraine government.
The phonecall just included some jibberish hearsay about some third party involved in the shootings. The only source named is a woman called "Olga". Who's that anyway?

Wouldn't take it too serious, since there are lots of videos of policemen shooing at people...
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