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Then you really don't go into that country to organize and finance protests against the established government
It's a lunacy unsupported with anything except texts from the deep conspiracy, deep lefty and deep Russian Nazi websites. Where did you pick yours? Be honest, 1, 2 or 3?
Protests began after dispersing protestors were cruelly beaten by the riot police as a lesson for the future. You want to say that USA paid Yanukovich to beat protestors in November of 2013, and then USA paid protestors to stick around for 3 months of the bitter winter, and then USA paid Yanukovich to flee for no obvious reason? That's some deep conspiracy. What's your protest record? As alternative and anti-corporate as you are, you should challenge those oppressive power structures every other year. Try next winter, 3 months, one man protest, and tell us how much you would charge to do it the next time, let's take bullets and thugs out of an equation. Seriously, you lefties are totally hypocrites, I cannot wait for the next occupy something, your kind deserves to taste its own hypocrisy, you sided with a clearly oppressive, Fascist Russian regime attacking popular Ukrainian revolt, just because you perceive that regime as anti-American. Never mind the fact that the Russian regime is 180 degrees opposite to each and every ostentatious lefty value.
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and train and arm paramilitary forces to put down opposition protestors.
What protestors? The ones who ride on tanks into Ukraine from Russia? Unfortunately, USA neither trained nor armed Ukrainian army and volunteers. A few experienced retired generals and staff officers wouldn't hurt either.
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They have no real sovereignty. The people that are in power were put there by foreign powers and special interests. Several key members of the cabinet as well as the President were in the employ of the US State Department. Their economic policies have to adhere to the dictates of the US/IMF and the EU.
Sophistry. At this time, Ukraine have a survival issue. Russian nazis are determined to wipe Ukraine out. I would ship all the lefty "alternative for the sake of it" rebels (that's what you appear to be) to live everyday life of an average citizen in the post soviet Feudal states such as Russia, Uzbekistan, etc. (under a condition of not watching Russian TV, a proven poison). The silver spoon fed internet "rebels" don't know how real crap looks like. Or they wouldn't fall for the Russian or far left propaganda spell so easily in a comfort of their homes. The far left is deeply dissatisfied with life and their stations in life, and it's very convenient to blame "special corporate interests" for all the evils, anxiety and misery in their lives. Yet, it doesn't occur to the arm chair "rebels" that there are hundreds of millions of people out there who have different issues, different threats, different everything. And for those people IMF doesn't look nearly as bad as a deranged Russian Fuhrer and semi-criminal, totalitarian feudalism he stands for.
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USA is the chit shovel of the 3 horse horsemen of the apocalypse. All the corporations of the west want to do is exploit the Ukraine the people be damned. They're the ones who will suffer as their country is looted. IF they let it happen.
You want to say that it is not Robin Hood, it's Robin Putin who was a mythical savior of all poor and disadvantaged? Nobody exploits (post) soviet people more for less than the corrupt post soviet regimes permanently locked in the primitive accumulation of capital. Ukraine revolt was all about cleansing and restricting rapacious corrupt power structure that was about to kill the host. Comrade Putin is not only the Great Restorer of Imperial majesty, he's a guy who wants to keep all his loot too. And post soviet totalitarian feudalism, where peasants are the subject of the corrupt managerial "elites", is the way he and his buddies all around former USSR can have it all, astronomical wealth and astronomical power evil Western Corporations could only dream about.
Russian comrades demonize "Kiev junta", then they demonize "Pravii Sector", then they show a video where regular people, and a few "Pravii Sector" members among them, protest "Kiev Junta" ineffective policies and a banner that calls the President of "Kiev Junta" a traitor. Russian comrades label those people "ultra nationalists" without providing definitions for the cutting edge Russian term, and they finish it all off with shedding a tear for Ukraine and its stability. Orwell and Kafka rest when comrade Erasure operates.
Comrade Erasure is an "Ultra-nationalist", Pravii sector is not. Usually, if you see "ultra-nationalist" in a title, it means either outright Russian propaganda, or prepaid westerners doing Russian propaganda, of course, far left and far right parrot Russian propaganda for free, here in USA, Europeans extremists are pre-paid.
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Russian comrades demonize "Kiev junta", then they demonize "Pravii Sector", then they show a video where regular people, and a few "Pravii Sector" members among them, protest "Kiev Junta" ineffective policies and a banner that calls the President of "Kiev Junta" a traitor. Russian comrades label those people "ultra nationalists" without providing definitions for the cutting edge Russian term, and they finish it all off with shedding a tear for Ukraine and its stability. Orwell and Kafka rest when comrade Erasure operates.
Comrade Erasure is an "Ultra-nationalist", Pravii sector is not. Usually, if you see "ultra-nationalist" in a title, it means either outright Russian propaganda, or prepaid westerners doing Russian propaganda, of course, far left and far right parrot Russian propaganda for free, here in USA, Europeans extremists are pre-paid.
we have seen actions that we define as nazi. are you saying that Pravi sector has nothing to do with it and all Ukrainians are nazie ?
we have seen actions that we define as nazi. are you saying that Pravi sector has nothing to do with it and all Ukrainians are nazie ?
I define you and comrade Erasure as nazis, as revealed in your posts, members of Pravii Sector are simple defensive nationalists who want their country, their culture and language to survive. Nazis are the ones who wish for others to cease to exist, Pravii sector did nothing "nazi" except having guts to fight for their country. At least Russian comrades stopped using a ridiculous label "Ukrainian Bourgeois Nationalists" that they used all these 70 soviet years to label the Ukrainians that refused russification and dared to demand some rights (under penalty of death). Soviet comrades thought that all nations should disappear with time, nationalism was considered a bourgeois ideology, yet the term "Russian Bourgeois Nationalists" was never ever used, since it was understood that all the heathen wants to become Russian.
I define you and comrade Erasure as nazis, as revealed in your posts, members of Pravii Sector are simple defensive nationalists who want their country, their culture and language to survive. Nazis are the ones who wish for others to cease to exist, Pravii sector did nothing "nazi" except having guts to fight for their country. At least Russian comrades stopped using a ridiculous label "Ukrainian Bourgeois Nationalists" that they used all these 70 soviet years to label the Ukrainians that refused russification and dared to demand some rights (under penalty of death). Soviet comrades thought that all nations should disappear with time, nationalism was considered a bourgeois ideology, yet the term "Russian Bourgeois Nationalists" was never ever used, since it was understood that all the heathen wants to become Russian.
So how do you figure that we celebrate other cultures yet consider you nazies ?
I define you and comrade Erasure as nazis, as revealed in your posts, members of Pravii Sector are simple defensive nationalists who want their country, their culture and language to survive. Nazis are the ones who wish for others to cease to exist, Pravii sector did nothing "nazi" except having guts to fight for their country. At least Russian comrades stopped using a ridiculous label "Ukrainian Bourgeois Nationalists" that they used all these 70 soviet years to label the Ukrainians that refused russification and dared to demand some rights (under penalty of death). Soviet comrades thought that all nations should disappear with time, nationalism was considered a bourgeois ideology, yet the term "Russian Bourgeois Nationalists" was never ever used, since it was understood that all the heathen wants to become Russian.
I think what the real people of Ukraine really want is peace and stability. These Right Sector people I simply do not trust. They want a "pure Ukraine", what does that entail?
I fully understand that the Yanukovich government was corrupt but what do they have now? An American puppet setting up the country to be raped. Farmers are going to be pushed off land that they have owned for generations when they can't pay the higher property taxes. Corporations like Monsanto and Cargill will move in and buy it cheap. Old people have had their pensions cut and prices are sky rocketing. It seems to me the attitude of the current regime is just to let them all die off of starvation and disease.
Pretty cute how the son of vice president got into his position too. Maybe a Ukrainian should be there, up at the top. Never going to happen.
There's no way you're going to paint this pig boy.
I think Ukrainians are in for a very hard time, all thanks to people like you.
Was Yanuk really more corrupt then Poroshenko ? Sitting here in NYC, they seem to be cut from the same cloth to us in that regard.. Only Yanuk was not a nazi.
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