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Old 02-28-2015, 02:33 PM
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I do not think that Putin wants to enable these countries into the Russian Federation. But the union on mutually beneficial terms is possible. Most Soviet republics were subsidized. Russia does not want to repeat those mistakes.
Are they loyal to Russia or are some of them looking more toward the West?
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:36 PM
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Russian neighbors say

Russia likes to concur stuff, first they concur their neighbors, then they concur the neighbor's neighbors... :-)

This is what they concurred last sentry I mean talk about people who have concurred half a world.



Ancient Rome Concurred half of the world.
Mongols did some concurring
Vikings,
Britain,
Spain,
Russia is the most current one.

The funny part is that, in the case of Ukraine, Ukraine was better off under Russia then they are without it. I am saying this as some-one who lived in Russian controlled Ukraine and can compare it to current Ukraine.

Most Soviet states that are now with the west, are they doing well ?

Perhaps the Soviet Union was to difficult to manage too large.
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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This is from wikipedia:
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"On 21 November 2013 the Verkhovna Rada failed to pass any of the six motions on allowing former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to receive medical treatment abroad, which was an EU demand for signing the association agreement.[68][69] The same week Tymoshenko had stated that she was ready to ask the EU to drop the demand for her freedom if it meant President Viktor Yanukovych would sign the association agreement.[70] The same day a Ukrainian government decree suspended preparations for signing of association agreement; instead it proposed the creation of a three-way trade commission between Ukraine, the European Union and Russia that would resolve trade issues between the sides.[68] Prime Minister Mykola Azarov issued the decree in order to "ensure the national security of Ukraine" and in consideration of the possible ramfications of trade with Russia (and other CIS countries[71]) if the agreement was signed on a 28–29 November summit in Vilnius.[68]
The suspension of the association agreement signature initiated a wave of protests that would ultimately overthrow Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[6]"


If you turn off the brainwashed people, this idea does sound intelligent for the greater good.
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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I do not think that Putin wants to enable these countries into the Russian Federation. But the union on mutually beneficial terms is possible. Most Soviet republics were subsidized. Russia does not want to repeat those mistakes.
Subsidizing Soviet Republics was not a "mistake" per se - it was serving national/strategic/ideological reasons just fine back in the day. But since today's Russia ideology is different, Russian elite is not about to subside anything. Unless, of course, they have no way around it, and it's absolutely a must thing.
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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As in the case of the downed Boeing...
As far as I can tell who ever sent the Boing over a war zone where plan's were being downed every day for the past 2 weeks....

Problem is that I know of an element in Ukraine that would actually do something like this on purpose.
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Old 02-28-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Soldiers wanna go see Kiev.......................



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytSQ9vgc4nA#t=429
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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Soldiers wanna go see Kiev.......................



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytSQ9vgc4nA#t=429

I was just talking to some-one and pension in Ukraine is 50 grivnyas. I even asked twice, not $50, but 50 grivnyas.

So when he is saying that retired people can't buy bread, they mean it literary. They can't afford bread.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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These are Russians, living in third-world slams in an oil-extracting (!!!) region. The putrid cesspools collect to the depth of 4 meters. Russians should better fix their own problems, before venturing out with imperial pretenses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdi3pvmZs8
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:48 PM
 
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These are Russians, living in third-world slams in an oil-extracting (!!!) region. The putrid cesspools collect to the depth of 4 meters. Russians should better fix their own problems, before venturing out with imperial pretenses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdi3pvmZs8

I have watched the video, they are talking about remote villages in the middle of nowhere. Villagers themselves are saying that they expect some-one to provide for them.

What you have posted does not prove anything, you just googled something random that criticizes Russia.

The only criticism I have for Russia is their political future and lack of attention to building a real economy.

Let's hope Putin will learn his lesson and and tries to promote an economy that is not based only on exports of natural resources.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:50 PM
 
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If a nation wants the kiss of death economically accompanied with violent internal strife just have the US foreign policy establishment interfere in its domestic politics be it by "color revolutions" or "Arab springs". Just looking at Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine one has to come to the conclusion that these countries becoming war torn economic basket cases fit in line with America's foreign policy objectives. Ukraine needs to look at Greece to see what its future looks like because the same economic policies Greece had to undertake under the dictate of the IMF - European Central Bank - European Union are the same policies Ukraine is being led to follow under the direction from the US foreign policy establishment. The same people ( US foreign policy establishment) that recommended the economic policies in the early 1990's for Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Union which in turn worsened the living conditions for Ukrainian citizens are the same people recommending more of the same failed policies. You would think people would wise up after once being burnt by the US foreign policy establishment but like Willie D told Ice Cube " You got to let a H be a H. The US foreign policy establishment could care less if most of the citizens of Ukraine become destitute beggars.
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