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Old 03-01-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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The Russians are under siege. If they relent to outside influences which seek regime change, they're going to be in for another round of shock therapy like the 1990's. It's gone on all over Europe. It's now being called austerity, but the goal remains the same --- to dismantle the economy and facilitate the acquisition of vital services and natural resources by the bankers at firesale prices.
Exactly why Russia should not change leadership now. On the other hand the current government needs to recognize they've made mistakes and need to correct them. Good to see so many people turned out for the memorial, if Putins people are smart they have taken notice.

There are some things that need to be done differently.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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West is going to use Nemtsev's Death to try to destabilize Russia.
It appears Russia's leaders are doing just fine in destabilizing their own country, without any help from the "West".

Slava Ukraine.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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Russian nuclear arsenal is so wast that if detonated properly, humanity would stop to exist. Ukraine style regime changes and civil wars are a scary thought when it comes to Russia, you just don't know what's going to happen to those nukes.

What reasonable sequence of events can occur for Putin to be replaced by some-one else ? Putin still has 80% approval rating and little opposition.

Putin's political party is called United Russia, and it the majority party.

There is a table there that is showing Russian major political parties:
Political parties in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4 Major Political parties in Russia in order of power:
United Russia.
Communists.
Socialists.
The Ultra Insane.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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It appears Russia's leaders are doing just fine in destabilizing their own country, without any help from the "West".

Slava Ukraine.

You know, in America we used to tell Polish Jokes. Those are like Chuxcha jokes. These events in Ukrainians are even funnier.

Salo Ukraine !
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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Exactly why Russia should not change leadership now. On the other hand the current government needs to recognize they've made mistakes and need to correct them. Good to see so many people turned out for the memorial, if Putins people are smart they have taken notice.

There are some things that need to be done differently.
Yes, because the current regime is doing so well. Checked out the Russian economy lately? How about the secret burials of the thousands of conscripts killed in Ukraine? All due to Putin's megalomania.

I agree with the rest of your post, other than the bolded statement. The mistakes which were and continue to be made begin with the election of Putin to the office of highest power, and the lack of checks and balances, lethal threats to any significant opposition, lack of openness, non-partisanship and honesty in the Russian media, lack of transparency in general, and of course, the illegal invasion and attempted destruction and annexation of Ukraine, a sovereign country, by Russia. All of which have contributed to the current economic crisis and increasing isolation of Russia.

If the Russian people knew the whole truth, there is no way they would continue to support Putin and his policies. It is very encouraging to see an estimated 70,000 Russian people marching in Moscow today, to honor the memory of the assassinated Boris Nemtsov, and to know that similar gatherings are taking place in St Petersburg, Kyiv, London, and elsewhere around the world.

Slava Ukraine. Slava Nemtsov.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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Yes, because the current regime is doing so well. Checked out the Russian economy lately? How about the secret burials of the thousands of conscripts killed in Ukraine? All due to Putin's megalomania.

I agree with the rest of your post, other than the bolded statement. The mistakes which were and continue to be made begin with the election of Putin to the office of highest power, and the lack of checks and balances, lethal threats to any significant opposition, lack of openness, non-partisanship and honesty in the Russian media, lack of transparency in general, and of course, the illegal invasion and attempted destruction and annexation of Ukraine, a sovereign country, by Russia. All of which have contributed to the current economic crisis and increasing isolation of Russia.

If the Russian people knew the whole truth, there is no way they would continue to support Putin and his policies. It is very encouraging to see an estimated 70,000 Russian people marching in Moscow today, to honor the memory of the assassinated Boris Nemtsov, and to know that similar gatherings are taking place in St Petersburg, Kyiv, London, and elsewhere around the world.

Slava Ukraine. Slava Nemtsov.

In regard to Ukraine, I don't see what Putin could have done differently.

How do you know that Poroshenko did not order Nemtsev's Death ?
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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The Russians are under siege. If they relent to outside influences which seek regime change, they're going to be in for another round of shock therapy like the 1990's. It's gone on all over Europe. It's now being called austerity, but the goal remains the same --- to dismantle the economy and facilitate the acquisition of vital services and natural resources by the bankers at firesale prices.
Agree. Hence - a sad state of today's political affairs in Russia.
Those in charge shrewdly use this anti-Western sentiment (unfortunately well-founded,) and those in opposition are in denial. Nemtsov was one of them.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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The chess player in me thinks that Nemtsev is worth more as a martyr. Killing of Nemtsev seems more like a move against Putin, then a move by Putin.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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There's several stories about Islamic mercenaries fighting for Ukraine.
There seem to be a lot of Mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine and Afghanistan, like they also did in Iraq.

There seems to be US Mercenaries, Serbian Mercenaries, Islamic Mercenaries, Russian Mercenaries , and Chechen Mercenaries, to name a few.

Seems to be a trend. If a Government can not get involved because its citizens oppose it, they hire Mercenaries to get involved and deny doing it. Then they cry bloody murder if some one else does it.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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A family friend that lives in Kiev, is the Slava Ukraine type. According to her, some-one she does not like traveled to East Ukraine and reported back that Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians in East Ukraine.

I was dating a lady from Donetsk who is in US for 2.5 month.

My eye witness accounts do say that in Ukraine, it was Ukrainians killing each-other.


Additional Eye witness sources, most people who do scream "Slava Ukraine" Hid their children from the draft.
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