The future of Ukraine (country, places, people, German)

[Scrat335]

So when Putin "dealt swiftly with oligarchs" ( according to Mercouris,) in reality he dealt "swiftly" only with two-three of them, that were of independent thinking and wanted to promote their own politics.

He went after those that didn't toe the line. I believe it was the only way to stop the chaos at the time. The oligarchs that read the wind knew what was coming and acted accordingly, they submitted and accepted the role they were given. The others did not and were made an example.

I would have done the same if not more.

The institutions of nations have to be strong. Look at what Syria has just endured, 8 years of civil war and the institutions created all those decades (and in some cases centuries) ago are still standing. Same with Russia.

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Originally Posted by Scrat335

I wonder what the connection is between this guy Volodymyr S Boiko and Azov Battalion is. This guy is eyeball deep in Mariupol industry (Mariupols industry is a significant part of Ukraines industry) and Azov Battalion was/is responsible for that area. HQ in Urzuf, just up the coast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illich...and_Iron_Works

It's hard as hell to find any real stuff on this.

I am not sure what person exactly are you talking about.

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Moving on with our series "Tales from the Crypt."
I'd like to nominate this particular episode for the title "Who are you, people?"
That's in reference to incessant "fight with corruption" in Ukraine ( in which Biden was supposedly involved, while removing the inconvenient Prosecutor General V. Shokin.)
So once it's already established that Zelensky is bending over to the "old guard" left from Poroshenko's times - i.e. the Nationalists, and his prime-minister Goncharuk indeed attended their lovely Nazi concert, the next logical question is who/whence came this very Goncharuk and why is he appointed as the Prime Minister by Ze in the first place?

If I listen to Sharij investigation, he is saying that even the Ph D. diploma that Goncharuk claimed to have earlier is basically non-existent. So his claim is fake; the only reason he has been appointed as Prime Minister is because he is Soros man.
Then I am listening to the former Ukrainian Minister of Transportation E. Chervonenko on the TV show, and he is basically saying that he doesn't care that both current Prime Minister Goncharuk and head of the customs service M. Nefedov didn't miss a single gay parade in Europe during the last two years ( "that's their personal buisness" he says,) what he is concerned about though, is that Nefedov himself acknowledged that he "never saw a custom's scanner in his life before," and that back in 2018 the customs were getting 1,800 ($?) per day, and now it's down to 1,200. So yet another Soros man, this "specialist" I assume.
So yeah, what is this panopticum ( that's Prime Minister Goncharuk right there,) and who are you, people, that are running Ukraine today, under Zelensky's banners?

P.S. Oh yeah, and while I am at that, when you, Alec, is saying that "Gontareva is one of the most odious and hated people in Ukraine," and no wonder that "people are happy that her house burned down" ( the arson of her own making in order to claim the political asylum in Great Britain most likely.)
But if to believe the Western media, that satire directed at her "sparked the outrage in Ukraine"
We know pretty well that it "sparked the outrage" only in Poroshenko's followers AND the Nazi in the Western part of Ukraine that miss him dearly - yes they were throwing a lot of hissy fits because of that satire recently.
The rest 73% that voted against Poroshenko - not so much, they were laughing their heads off.
So strange parallel reality we live in, particularly if to take in consideration the recent attempt on the Capitol Hill to put the backbone of Poroshenko's regime on the "terrorist organizations" list.

Ukraine is one big swamp covered by a thick fog, so when Trump only TRIED to look for something pertaining to his interest in that fog, the bony hand showed up from there, grabbed him by the throat and started choking him with *impeachment.*

As it should be expected in a good episode of the "Tales from the Crypt."

[Scrat335]

Originally Posted by erasure

I am not sure what person exactly are you talking about.

Boiko. He's an oligarch and it seems he owns Mariupol along with a seat on the Rada. Does he own Azov too?

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Originally Posted by Scrat335

Boiko. He's an oligarch and it seems he owns Mariupol along with a seat on the Rada. Does he own Azov too?

I am aware of only two of them.
The first one ( Vladimir) is from Mariupol, ( but he died back in 2015, ) and he was a well-known person/politician there; his name was closely connected to Iliich Iron and Steel Works factory, since he made it from a worker all the way to the director of that factory ( but he was rising during Soviet times still.)
And he was a president of the local football club ( so the sport stadium of Mariupol is named after him.)


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91...B2%D0%B8%D1%87


Another one, Yury Boiko is currently in Ukrainian Rada ( in Opposition block) and "a former Minister of Fuel and Energy of Ukraine. He is considered one of the main supporters of closer integration between Ukraine and the Russian Federation."
He was the man who traveled to Moscow for negotiation recently in Kremlin ( together with V. Medvedchuk, who is some kind of relative of Putin as the word has it.)


So no, both are the "Easterners" from Donbass area.

[DKM]

Originally Posted by Scrat335

Boiko. He's an oligarch and it seems he owns Mariupol along with a seat on the Rada. Does he own Azov too?

He's dead. He never owned Mariupol. He ran/owned the steel mill there since it was a asset of the Soviet Union where he was the factory director at the time. Akhmetov took it over many years ago because he had control of the suppliers to the factory (which gave him more control over time). His coke plant in Avdiivka is a big part of this. If anyone owns Mariupol now, it's Rinat Akhmetov. He doesn't directly support Azov any more, but he may have back in 2014 because he didn't want any more factories to be taken over by bandits.

Rinat is smart enough to stay out of politics because he knows that means picking a side.

[Scrat335]

It sure as heck isn't easy to find anything on anybody over there, I just don't have the time right now. Thanks DKM, Erasure.

[Zimogor]

Ukraine Corruption Concerns Stall IMF Bailout

The International Monetary Fund has put off a bailout for Ukraine because it is worried the country’s president won’t recoup billions of dollars allegedly looted from banks—including one once controlled by a close supporter—according to people familiar with the negotiations.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine...ut-11572535061

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Originally Posted by Zimogor

Ukraine Corruption Concerns Stall IMF Bailout

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine...ut-11572535061

"The International Monetary Fund has put off a bailout for Ukraine because it is worried the country’s president won’t recoup billions of dollars allegedly looted from banks—including one once controlled by a close supporter—according to people familiar with the negotiations.
The IMF told President Volodymyr Zelensky he must aggressively pursue the missing money to deliver on his vow to clean up a financial system sapped by fraud, money laundering and theft.
The fund hinted at these concerns when it said it had delayed approval of the new bailout in September. IMF officials found “shortcomings in the legal framework, pervasive corruption, and large parts of the economy dominated by inefficient state-owned enterprises or by oligarchs,” Ron van Rooden, the fund’s mission chief for the country, said at the time."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine...ut-11572535061


Is this BEFORE or AFTER Zelensky has put in charge of the Prosecutor's General office *his* man, I wonder?

And some are still accusing Trump of his "deep-seated negative views of Ukraine?"

As in:

"So far, a dozen witnesses have testified before House lawmakers since the closed-door impeachment inquiry began a month ago. One theme that runs through almost all of their accounts is Trump’s unyielding loathing of Ukraine, which dates to his earliest days in the White House."

"Trump then peppered Volker with his negative views of Ukraine, suggesting that it wasn’t a “real country,” that it had always been a part of Russia, and that it was “totally corrupt.”"

As I've said, Trump is very intuitive, he is no fool as some are trying to imagine him.

He understood early in the game what a trap Ukraine was ( particularly as "anti-Russian project.")
He was right on every account, and that's why he is threatened with impeachment now.

[Scrat335]

I'll just leave this here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxk9Pnw4tbM&t=1382s