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Old 11-04-2019, 05:51 PM
DKM
 
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Is this BEFORE or AFTER Zelensky has put in charge of the Prosecutor's General office *his* man, I wonder?
The theft of money from the bank occurred from 2006 to 2016 when it was liquidated. Nobody is blaming Zelensky for this. What needs to happen now is he needs to pursue the losses which exist in the shareholders companies throughout Ukraine and abroad. A deal needs to be reached but it won't involve state funds giving up claims to these losses.

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And some are still accusing Trump of his "deep-seated negative views of Ukraine?"

As I've said, Trump is very intuitive, he is no fool as some are trying to imagine him.

He understood early in the game what a trap Ukraine was ( particularly as "anti-Russian project.")
He was right on every account, and that's why he is threatened with impeachment now.
So Trump is right about Ukraine and everyone else is wrong? You are siding with a man who proves his incompetence nearly every day. If anything, his views on Ukraine should convince the world that the opposite is the truth as that tends to be the case with his views on many things. We all know why he hates Ukraine... He was convinced by his Russian handlers that Ukraine is at fault for his political problems starting with the election. No shocker there, that's the elephant in the room. Now he hates them more for not being corrupt enough to go along with his ploy to not lose to Biden next year.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:30 PM
 
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So Trump is right about Ukraine and everyone else is wrong? You are siding with a man who proves his incompetence nearly every day. If anything, his views on Ukraine should convince the world that the opposite is the truth as that tends to be the case with his views on many things. We all know why he hates Ukraine... He was convinced by his Russian handlers that Ukraine is at fault for his political problems starting with the election. No shocker there, that's the elephant in the room. Now he hates them more for not being corrupt enough to go along with his ploy to not lose to Biden next year.
A piece of rotting liver is seen in a better light than the politicians in Ukraine and the country itself and gets little more than complete disinterest from people world wide. Ukraine is like a crackhead on the streets of a major American west coast city. It will take drastic measures to change anything and in the case of Ukraine a purge that would make Smokin' Joe green with envy.

The EU doesn't even appear to care anymore, they've given up. The IMF has most likely had it. Ukraine is going to be a US colony or not a country at all in the future.

And don't worry. Trump is going to be elected to a second term. Biden doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
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Old 11-05-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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lol (google translate):


https://www.vesti.bg/bulgaria/kremyl...alinov-6101705



Russia threatens Bulgaria with "consequences" if they persecute a bulgarian citizen accused with spying for Russia. Which leads to the question: In what universe do spies get away without punishment and the country sending the spies 'threatens' the spied country and even better question: what right does Russia have to defend a citizen of another country into spying for it?


Ever since the 10th century when Svetoslav invaded bulgaria it's always the same.
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Old 11-05-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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The theft of money from the bank occurred from 2006 to 2016 when it was liquidated. Nobody is blaming Zelensky for this. What needs to happen now is he needs to pursue the losses which exist in the shareholders companies throughout Ukraine and abroad. A deal needs to be reached but it won't involve state funds giving up claims to these losses.

So the money were *disappearing from the bank* for 10 years, yet somehow, magically, the IMF decided to demand the return of them NOW?

Tell us more please, how does it work.


"The IMF told President Volodymyr Zelensky he must aggressively pursue the missing money to deliver on his vow to clean up a financial system sapped by fraud, money laundering and theft."

Oh I see.

When Ukrainians asked to put a stop to free money export out of the country, as the first ( and most important step) to fight the corruption, the IMF ( surprise-surprise) was against it.
Yet, somehow, the IMF wants Zelensky to "aggressively pursue the missing money."

Meaning what? To take a knife, put it to the throat of Kolomoysky ( or whoever) and to demand the "return of money" from the offshore accounts?

You don't need to answer. It was a rhetoric question.
Both Russians and Ukrainians know all too well how these IMF schemes work, since these schemes are at the heart of corruption in both places. The money can leave the country any time, billions of them, with no particular hindrance, leaving the rest of population high and dry, and public has no control over the process. Because these money benefit the Western economy, plus give *some Westerners* the *opportunity* to stuff their own pockets while fleecing the country.

And fleecing that country is the main objective of the Western banking system, not some "freedom and democracy" for its population.

Russia was the first and serious "whoopsie" in this well-established practice, with Putin and his buddies having THEIR OWN interests in mind. (Here goes Syria as the domino effect, the other pieces of "domino effect" will follow.)

Now when Ukraine has been approached with the same schemes ( orchestrated SPECIFICALLY by Democrats - this already doesn't leave any doubt,) it's turning into yet another big "whoopsie," but even on a bigger scale, since Ukraine becomes a catalyst for worsening relations between the US and EU ( Germany and France to be more specific.)


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So Trump is right about Ukraine and everyone else is wrong?
"Anyone else" that would be who? You?



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You are siding with a man who proves his incompetence nearly every day. If anything, his views on Ukraine should convince the world that the opposite is the truth as that tends to be the case with his views on many things. We all know why he hates Ukraine... He was convinced by his Russian handlers that Ukraine is at fault for his political problems starting with the election. No shocker there, that's the elephant in the room. Now he hates them more for not being corrupt enough to go along with his ploy to not lose to Biden next year.
As I've already said, Trump is an intuitive man.

And I see that "intuition" has the same meaning in English as it has in Russian, i.e. -
"the ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning."


All your attempts to attach some "Russian handlers" to it is useless.

Trump looked at this whole "Ukraine" thing and figured out pretty fast; "don't trouble the trouble, till trouble troubles you." That's how I'd put it, more or less.

But SOME people in the US government don't understand those things, while twisting his arm.
And since he is very reluctant to play their games, he has to go now ( according to THEM.)

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Old 11-05-2019, 01:10 PM
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So the money were *disappearing from the bank* for 10 years, yet somehow, magically, the IMF decided to demand the return of them NOW?

Tell us more please, how does it work.
You are misunderstanding what the IMF is asking for. Its not some grand conspiracy that doesn't make sense. Its actually the way I described it, and therefore the conditions for the loan can only exist now, thus the demand can only exist once that occurred, not prior to. I don't really care if you can't understand it because a more detailed explanation will go right over your head.



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And fleecing that country is the main objective of the Western banking system, not some "freedom and democracy" for its population.
You are describing Russia's system here. No better system in the world diverts national income to a few pockets.
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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You are misunderstanding what the IMF is asking for. Its not some grand conspiracy that doesn't make sense. Its actually the way I described it, and therefore the conditions for the loan can only exist now, thus the demand can only exist once that occurred, not prior to. I don't really care if you can't understand it because a more detailed explanation will go right over your head.

It's not that I "can't understand it," it's just I prefer to cut through all the BS.



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You are describing Russia's system here. No better system in the world diverts national income to a few pockets.

Current Russia's system ( and its ruling class) are attached by umbilical cord to the Western banking system. AND to the export of capital first of all.
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:28 PM
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As for Mr. Trump, I do find satisfaction that he will be removed for threatening aid to Ukraine unless they committed to investigating his rivals. It shows how important Ukraine is to this country that it can blow up a presidency.
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Old 11-05-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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As for Mr. Trump, I do find satisfaction that he will be removed for threatening aid to Ukraine unless they committed to investigating his rivals. It shows how important Ukraine is to this country that it can blow up a presidency.
Impeach does not mean remove.
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Old 11-06-2019, 12:16 AM
 
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As for Mr. Trump, I do find satisfaction that he will be removed for threatening aid to Ukraine unless they committed to investigating his rivals. It shows how important Ukraine is to this country that it can blow up a presidency.

It's not.
It never was, until Obama administration decided to turn it into major anti-Russian project.
Since then it's nothing but trouble.

The rest remains to be seen.
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Old 11-06-2019, 12:25 PM
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Impeach does not mean remove.
Impeachment will lead to his removal, either by the Senate or by the ballot box next year.
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