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Old 11-09-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Europe
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But see, it was really NOT their plan.
It's not like the EU was really interested to mess with Ukraine, and you can see more and more their reluctance to proceed with it.
It was an AMERICAN plan in this case ( and that's why your gov. keeps on running for help and protection to the US, trying to involve them DIRECTLY in the conflict with Russia, instead of using your *country* as a proxy for this purpose.)
Thus what is US plan about Ukraine?
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Alec...
Can you talk about ANYTHING but the IT jobs?

Does anything ( other than that) exist in Ukraine, particularly when it comes to engineering ?
Someone interferes with the development of production capacities starting from the upper circles of political power. I feel this sabotage in everything here.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZRqqVVH9wU
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Old 11-10-2019, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Russia
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20 August, 2019, 12:00

Dmytro Demchenko



Ukraine ranked fifth in the ranking of countries where freelancers’ incomes are growing fastest. This is evidenced by data from a study of the Payoneer payment system in the second quarter of 2019, which is based on the indicators of more than 300,000 users of the service.
According to the ranking, starting from the second quarter of 2018, the income of Ukrainian freelancers increased by 36%. The general list is as follows:
  1. USA – 78%
  2. UK – 59%
  3. Brazil – 48%
  4. Pakistan – 47%
  5. Ukraine – 36%
  6. Philippines – 35%
  7. India – 29%
  8. Bangladesh – 27%
  9. Russia – 20%
  10. Serbia – 19%
The study notes that Ukraine occupies such a place mostly due to an increase in the number of IT specialists. According to Payoneer, the number of Ukrainian outsourcing employees has increased by 30% since the second quarter of 2018. Here is a data of Ukrainian Payoneer users by age:

https://ain.ua/en/2019/08/20/ukraine...income-growth/
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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Thus what is US plan about Ukraine?
The plan the US has for Ukraine has 2 points.

Exploitation of Ukraines geological location to strategically and tactically threaten Russia in its front yard. America wants to weaponize Eastern Europe, build military infrastructure, enlist the militaries of eastern Europe in a military system that has great and enduring profit potential.

The second point is the exploitation of the Ukraine for economiic purposes, mainly the expansion of market opportunity for big business. This is where the EU comes in also, this is where they have a dog in the fight.

What Ukraine faces is an inability to compete in the marketplace of Europe. Everything Ukraines decrepit industrial manufacturing system could or can produce is already made elsewhere. Motor Sich makes jet engines, so? There is no market for them in the west and Russia began making their own long ago. Steel? Ukraine can't come close to being competitive there with countries like Germany, Korea and China.

Russia has historically been Ukraines biggest steel customer. Not so much anymore if at all, Ukraine made a civilizational choice. Why should Russia do business with people who see them as an enemy?

All Ukraine has to offer anyone is its land and its people. Both for exploitation and history has shown us that that never turns out good for those being exploited hundreds of time.

I also don't think the EU is inclined nor in some cases able to help Ukraine, the US intends to help but for a price. That price is obedience and servitude.

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Old 11-10-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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today is the 30 years anniversary since 10th november when communism ended also in bulgaria, a thematic video by a bulgarian comedian:


At 4:53:


"are you an optimist about the future?"
"I am not optimist, I am the future...back in the day we were optimists - so what?"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYnGFZD2dP8
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Russia
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While I can't say much regarding the first part of your sentence ( I can only judge by what I see on-line, and the problem seems to be relatively low salaries for engineers, and hence - an impression that there is not enough of them ( you can read it in Russian here.)
But overall, when it comes to the tech. labor market in Russia - I think that Maxim or Zimogor would know it better, since I kinda suspect they are BOTH from the tech. field.
And as far as Ukraine goes, from what I know ( yet again,) your industrial sector has been dismantled brick after brick for the last five years, after the "revolution" of 2014. You are striving to be the "agricultural super-power" now.
So yes, by now you'd have the "oversupply of the engineers."
And as far as the EU goes, by all means - go and try your luck finding an engineering job over there.

By all means.

Good luck with that.
Of course, there is currently a certain shortage of engineers. This is due to the fact that in 90-2000. These professions were not prestigious salaries were small and few people went to study them. At that time were prestigious professions of the lawyer,the economist, the manager. And they had good salaries. Accordingly, there is now a imbalance between humanitarian and technical specialists. These lawyers and economists are now so many that it is very difficult for them to find a new job, because demand exceeds supply. And salaries, of course, depends on the region. In large cities, such as Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg,Novosibirsk, salaries are much higher. For example, I work in the field of industrial automation (PLC, SCADA, etc.), so in our region, the Senior engineer of ACS receives about 40-45000rub (700 dollars), whereas in Moscow or St. Petersburg the salary is 80-120000rub(1500-2000 dollars). But on the other hand we have a lower cost of living. So everything is relative.

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Old 11-10-2019, 10:26 PM
 
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Someone interferes with the development of production capacities starting from the upper circles of political power. I feel this sabotage in everything here.

That's not "someone" - that's IMF and "смотрящие" in the government, appointed by the Western corporations.
(Of course R. Ostashko is spewing venom as usual, being in denial that Russia was going through absolutely the same process back in the 90ies, but... it doesn't look good, what's going on in Ukraine.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B04rtafqLX0


And here comes Dubinsky, confirming the worst fears and explaining in details, what's going on with Ukrainian economy - with inflation, with currency, the government bonds schemes, sale of agricultural lands ( why it's torpedoed lately,) and the rest.

All this looks very ominous for Ukraine, the only good thing that I summon from Dubinsky's words is that he projects that all these schemes will crash ( together with Ukrainian economy) earlier than this government expects, so there still will be chance ( according to him) to start all over.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZeAoCBwkSc
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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I wonder how many there are Ukrainians who seriously believe that Ukraine will ever become a member of the EU? The new countries that joined the EU in 2004 were all small countries (ok, except for Poland). But Ukraine is big. And besides - quite poor. (They said no to Turkey, though Turkey is by GDP per capita noticeably wealthier than Ukraine.) EU glory days are over, the UK is still likely to leave the EU and the EU will weaken as a result. In my opinion, Ukraine will never become a member of the EU.

And suppose, if by a big miracle, Ukraine would still become a member of the EU - do you believe it would improve the standard of living for the ordinary, simple Ukrainian person? Don't be naive. Yes, your high officials will get personal benefits from joining the EU,they are faced with ridiculously high salaries in the EU institutions but will ordinary Ukrainian nurses, kindergarten educators, bus drivers etc really benefit from it? We have been now in the EU for 15 years, but just recently there was news that the capital of Estonia, Tallinn, has one of the largest financial segregation in Europe - wealthy neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods have emerged (And 30 years ago, the same neighborhoods were virtually equal.)
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Old 11-11-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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^ That's a really bad example.



Estonia is the richest in Eastern Europe while Ukraine is the poorest (more or less). Maybe give Romania/Bulgaria as comparison but surely not Estonia and Slovenia. Plus if Ukraine cede their most eastern parts to Russia (they won't...) which will be obligatory for joining the EU as no one in the eu will want to enter a bullsh*t war with russia then their gdp will also look better.



In any case I don't think the EU will be bad for either Ukraine or the EU as of today's date. If you'd ask me 5 years ago I'd said its a horrible idea to have to do anything with the eu, but with the refugee and greek crisis over and brexit almost a reality we need more manpower and more territory.
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