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Old 03-28-2021, 08:43 AM
 
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Glorious Yanukovich era Odessa airport (Yes I flown out of this many times):
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4412...7i13312!8i6656

now a sad "western" post soviet ruin:
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4421...!7i4032!8i2268

I heard the new runway at Odesa airport is secretly for NATO jets to land there!

This is fun, I'm really glad someone pointed out all the old street views that exist in Ukraine.

No doubt they will all vote to "leave" Ukraine because their cities are getting so awful.
That was also under pro-western Yushchenko who served a full term. Yanukovich never did.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:25 AM
 
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Is sex trafficking a big problem in Ukraine?
I heard awhile ago that Eastern Europe including Ukraine is one of the most profitable areas for the porn industry. The desperately poor young women are easy prey. See 9:45 in the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSIjq1zozI&t=162s

There are scum out there.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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Is sex trafficking a big problem in Ukraine?

And what do you think?

There are a lot of desperate people there trying to survive, and that includes young women.

One of Sharij's deputies (in Odessa I believe) introduced the latest statistics, taken from the open sources. It sounded quite shocking.

( I can look it up.)


Of course Ukrainian women would be an easy pray under the circumstances.

What's even worse - I suspect children too.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:13 AM
 
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The great DNR, Pushilin must be so proud of his hometown:

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0479...!7i8192!8i4096

So full of life in the spring! DNR is where all the people in the SE want to be like.


They can't end up like Lvov, from where everyone fled to Europe in 2015:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8433...7i13312!8i6656

How about Alchevsk, the good life awaits those who want no Europe!
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4691...7i10240!8i5120

Looks very popular. The rest of Ukraine must be excited for the Russian world to spread their way.

DKM, what are you blubbering about?

Makeevka, Alchevsk - those are in the war zone.

Of course people left them either for Russia or other Eastern parts of Ukraine.

And when it comes to the Western parts of Ukraine - why don't you show Ivano-Frankovsk for example, that is hardest hit by the coronavirus by now, ( because of that "EU association" and people traveling back and forth.)
People are dying in droves there now, with the shortage of oxygen and hospital beds.

And of course even that great Indian vaccine is not going to be delivered in Ukraine - that's what it sounds like, since the Indians are in need of it themselves, with the spiking cases in their own country.

It's either that, or they felt offended by the criticism of the Ukrainians.

Two of Ukrainian military died of it shortly after being vaccinated with it by the way.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:15 AM
 
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What’s a stereotypical Ukrainian name - one that is different from Polish and Russian?

That would be Taras I suppose...
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:21 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what DKM says, the reality of the situation is that most Ukrainians are not thriving, they are surviving and just barely in a lot of cases. Perhaps things are better these years after the conflict but what information can you trust? You would need to go and see for yourself. In my limited time in Ukraine no one is going to tell me that life has ever been easy there, the poverty was conspicuous.

In all fairness the governments of Ukraine, going back to the 1990s has not been good. It's not just the current regime that is the problem. Ukrainian people need a purge, on a grand scale.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what DKM says, the reality of the situation is that most Ukrainians are not thriving, they are surviving and just barely in a lot of cases. Perhaps things are better these years after the conflict but what information can you trust? You would need to go and see for yourself. In my limited time in Ukraine no one is going to tell me that life has ever been easy there, the poverty was conspicuous.

In all fairness the governments of Ukraine, going back to the 1990s has not been good. It's not just the current regime that is the problem. Ukrainian people need a purge, on a grand scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZKuxGTCmw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHx17gE5d70&t=56s
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Old 03-28-2021, 01:01 PM
 
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I remember those little markets in the 1990s. It's where I bought my leather jacket which I still have. It's where Sergey, my long time friends wife sold eggs and whole chickens. Standing in a small shed in all the worst weather. I also bought most of my food in them and became addicted to the baked goods made by the grandmas. There was Alia who had a stand at Partisansky station in Moscow. Her apple and cherry tarts were to die for and I always found her in the evenings and I stocked up for the next day. The crusts were flakey, buttery perfection.

I will never forget the huge market in Ismailovo, dozens of acres and you could wander it all day and just about everything in the world was sold there. In Belgorod there was a bakery run by a gang of grandmas in a corner of the central market. They couldn't make their goods fast enough. Most hours of the day there was a line and if it was lunch or dinner it could be 12 deep. I think Turist said it was still there just changed.
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Old 03-28-2021, 03:06 PM
 
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I remember those little markets in the 1990s. It's where I bought my leather jacket which I still have. It's where Sergey, my long time friends wife sold eggs and whole chickens. Standing in a small shed in all the worst weather. I also bought most of my food in them and became addicted to the baked goods made by the grandmas. There was Alia who had a stand at Partisansky station in Moscow. Her apple and cherry tarts were to die for and I always found her in the evenings and I stocked up for the next day. The crusts were flakey, buttery perfection.

I will never forget the huge market in Ismailovo, dozens of acres and you could wander it all day and just about everything in the world was sold there. In Belgorod there was a bakery run by a gang of grandmas in a corner of the central market. They couldn't make their goods fast enough. Most hours of the day there was a line and if it was lunch or dinner it could be 12 deep. I think Turist said it was still there just changed.
Yes, there are still pastries on the corner of the market, they now have a new room, such a small cafe,if it's cold or bad weather, you can sit at a table there ))
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:06 PM
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That was also under pro-western Yushchenko who served a full term. Yanukovich never did.
Actually it was a soviet era airport built under Khrushev... I was pointing out the date the photo was taken was during the Yanukovich term. Not that it was his airport.

I was in Ukraine a lot during the Yushchenko and Yanukovich days. No difference between them, unless you count the enhancements and optimism brought about by the Eurocup 2012.

Was also in Russia a lot during both Pooty and and bear cub Medvedev days. Can't really say much of a difference there either.
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