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The old way isn't coming back. The crowd of angry pro soviet grandmas (hit a little close there? ) are not coming back. It's over. The only question is will Donetsk return to normalcy or will it turn into Tiraspol. A vote today would not likely go your way, as much as it might have 7 years ago.
How can I "miss" something, that I never saw before?
As for the rest of your links - I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
That if you shoot enough people and replace Lenin's statue with some fountain on the main square, then Mariupol magically turns into Miami somehow?
Thankfully it stayed out of government control and never saw fighting. I'm sure they will all die to stop living like people in Dnipro are having to put up with.
Nope they didn't move to Kiev, who would want to live there?
Thankfully it stayed out of government control and never saw fighting. I'm sure they will all die to stop living like people in Dnipro are having to put up with.
Nope they didn't move to Kiev, who would want to live there?
So the problem here ( as I've said) is that Russia didn't take over Eastern Ukraine in the same manner as it took over Crimea.
And Russia isn't "West."
So the "new and improved" images that you are trying to show here, that supposedly demonstrate the "superiority of West-oriented parts of Ukraine," vs "Russia-oriented ones" is not more than your own confusion.
The technologies went ahead in Russia as well, so if Russia would have taken over the Eastern Ukraine, the results would have been nice as well.
Just without mass murders and without forcible Urkranianization of the population.
Thankfully it stayed out of government control and never saw fighting. I'm sure they will all die to stop living like people in Dnipro are having to put up with.
Nope they didn't move to Kiev, who would want to live there?
Its dying under Westernization! Someone needs to forcibly spread Russian world out from Donetsk!
Collect debts and build several fountains and facades. However, the next block will be what it will be. But you are right, for these few fountains and a couple of squares, you can give everything and pay any price. The main thing is that DKM is happy with the picture )
This year, Ukrainians need to pay more than $ 15,000,000,000 (fifteen billion dollars ) of debt. 25% (twenty-five percent) of this amount is debt service. This is more than Ukraine will be given in debt this year. What and how is Ukraine going to pay? I'm asking you as an expert on Ukraine .
And one more thing.DKM tell me why all the panoramas of cities and streets in Ukraine date back to 2009-2015, and then everything, there are no fresh panoramas and streets.Not on Google Maps, not anywhere else.Only rare photos of your favorite fountains . Why is that? Maybe because there is hell and horror all around? You posted the links here, I was interested in walking around the Ukrainian cities in 2020, and I could not (only a couple of places were extinguished near Kiev) .Why is that ?
I was just showing recent SE Ukraine pictures (away from the conflict zone) I found after a poster on here wanted to present it as some ruined place after the Ukrainian revolution 7 years ago. The old Ukraine of 10 years ago is falling away but increasingly this isn't seen as a bad thing by a lot of people there, even in the East (not the Russian controlled areas). We could all show each other good or bad pictures of most countries all day but my point is there are good things that can offset the bad ones. And I pick on the places where Lenin statues stood for good reason.
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And one more thing.DKM tell me why all the panoramas of cities and streets in Ukraine date back to 2009-2015, and then everything, there are no fresh panoramas and streets.Not on Google Maps, not anywhere else.Only rare photos of your favorite fountains . Why is that? Maybe because there is hell and horror all around? You posted the links here, I was interested in walking around the Ukrainian cities in 2020, and I could not (only a couple of places were extinguished near Kiev) .Why is that ?
What do you mean by panoramas. The 360 degree circular pictures? I had some in my links above. The Google street views near the Russian border were removed in areas bordering Russia and Crimea after the conflict broke out for security reasons. Google was asked to not do anymore street views in Ukraine again for security reasons. We don't need to give Russia updates on bridges, roads near military bases checkpoints or to plan invasion routes. Private ones still exist.
Let me guess, Russian propaganda has another motive. Hmm no let me guess.... Ahh, I know. Because the country is falling apart since 2015! You have to be a certain level of person to believe that's true. Let's examine shall we?
Fun fact for me, that Chlenin statue in Kharkov was the first time in my life I ever saw a Bandera "fascist" guy from Western Ukraine. I think it was maybe 2008 give or take.
Fun fact for me, that Chlenin statue in Kharkov was the first time in my life I ever saw a Bandera "fascist" guy from Western Ukraine. I think it was maybe 2008 give or take.
Ruined by fascisti. I'm sure those are all Bandera bussed in from the west for that photo. We need Russian soldiers to chase them away ASAP.
DKM, you are still missing the point.
We are not impressed with the *fountains* and those new "многоэтажки" - the new buildings you post, and that are built in droves in all new districts of Russian cities.
This is rather poor trade-off for the amount of the national debt that Ukraine acquired and general impoverishment of the population, that came as the direct result of the coup d'etat.
If Russia would have been in charge of Eastern Ukraine, the amount of these new buildings that you are so proud to present here, would have been ten times bigger by now, minus overwhelming burden of the national debt.
And when it comes to Lenin's statues - it would have been left up to the local population, whether they wanted to keep them as sentimental value, or they'd rather replaced them with some fountains, as it's a case in Russia.
Some cities still keep them, and some preferred not to.
But in any case they haven't been replaced with the statues of Hitler's collaborators, as you know where.
That's for sure.
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