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Estonia is the richest in Eastern Europe while Ukraine is the poorest (more or less). Maybe give Romania/Bulgaria as comparison but surely not Estonia and Slovenia. Plus if Ukraine cede their most eastern parts to Russia (they won't...) which will be obligatory for joining the EU as no one in the eu will want to enter a bullsh*t war with russia then their gdp will also look better.
In any case I don't think the EU will be bad for either Ukraine or the EU as of today's date. If you'd ask me 5 years ago I'd said its a horrible idea to have to do anything with the eu, but with the refugee and greek crisis over and brexit almost a reality we need more manpower and more territory.
Do you need more territory to accommodate refugees? Right?
Exploitation of Ukraines geological location to strategically and tactically threaten Russia in its front yard. America wants to weaponize Eastern Europe, build military infrastructure, enlist the militaries of eastern Europe in a military system that has great and enduring profit potential.
The second point is the exploitation of the Ukraine for economiic purposes, mainly the expansion of market opportunity for big business. This is where the EU comes in also, this is where they have a dog in the fight.
What Ukraine faces is an inability to compete in the marketplace of Europe. Everything Ukraines decrepit industrial manufacturing system could or can produce is already made elsewhere. Motor Sich makes jet engines, so? There is no market for them in the west and Russia began making their own long ago. Steel? Ukraine can't come close to being competitive there with countries like Germany, Korea and China.
Russia has historically been Ukraines biggest steel customer. Not so much anymore if at all, Ukraine made a civilizational choice. Why should Russia do business with people who see them as an enemy?
All Ukraine has to offer anyone is its land and its people. Both for exploitation and history has shown us that that never turns out good for those being exploited hundreds of time.
I also don't think the EU is inclined nor in some cases able to help Ukraine, the US intends to help but for a price. That price is obedience and servitude.
Based on the latest data and actions, Ukraine has received a puppet government, which is managed by multinational companies. Now there is a struggle to break the old oligarchic system in the interests of multinational companies. I think this is a positive point.
Russia has historically been Ukraines biggest steel customer. Not so much anymore if at all, Ukraine made a civilizational choice. Why should Russia do business with people who see them as an enemy?
Disagree.
An active business is being conducted between Ukraine and Russia with pretty good speed. I have already been offered 3 times in the last month to work in organizations with an office in Ukraine and consumers of products in Russia. And it doesn’t bother anyone. Business as usial! Although all media use expressions like "Russia-aggressor, hybrid war, danger of invasion, seized territories" and e.t.c.
Based on the latest data and actions, Ukraine has received a puppet government, which is managed by multinational companies. Now there is a struggle to break the old oligarchic system in the interests of multinational companies. I think this is a positive point.
Do you know what the difference between Ukrainian oligarch and those multinationals are? One big one is Ukrainian oligarchs have their interests in the well being of Ukraine, that's where their businesses are and probably where they make their money in most cases.
The IMF, multinational corporations and US government have little interest in the well being of the Ukrainian people. The investors, they live in Florida, Brighton Beach, San Francisco, Honolulu, Paris, London, Singapor. All they care about is MAKING MONEY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Economic slavery has existed for a long time. It is the poorest country in Europe. And the only way to modernization is the arrival of large corporations and the complete reformatting of the political and economic paradigm in the country.
Do you know what the difference between Ukrainian oligarch and those multinationals are? One big one is Ukrainian oligarchs have their interests in the well being of Ukraine, that's where their businesses are and probably where they make their money in most cases.
They earn money by sticking to the state budget. This is not a business. This is theft on a billionth scale. It can’t go on like this. This rotten system has become obsolete and should go down in history.
I wonder how many there are Ukrainians who seriously believe that Ukraine will ever become a member of the EU? The new countries that joined the EU in 2004 were all small countries (ok, except for Poland). But Ukraine is big. And besides - quite poor. (They said no to Turkey, though Turkey is by GDP per capita noticeably wealthier than Ukraine.) EU glory days are over, the UK is still likely to leave the EU and the EU will weaken as a result. In my opinion, Ukraine will never become a member of the EU.
And suppose, if by a big miracle, Ukraine would still become a member of the EU - do you believe it would improve the standard of living for the ordinary, simple Ukrainian person? Don't be naive. Yes, your high officials will get personal benefits from joining the EU,they are faced with ridiculously high salaries in the EU institutions but will ordinary Ukrainian nurses, kindergarten educators, bus drivers etc really benefit from it? We have been now in the EU for 15 years, but just recently there was news that the capital of Estonia, Tallinn, has one of the largest financial segregation in Europe - wealthy neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods have emerged (And 30 years ago, the same neighborhoods were virtually equal.)
Of course incorporating small countries here and there is MUCH easier than to deal with a larger country such as Ukraine. That's why I said long time ago that it's way too expensive project ( to incorporate Ukraine) and so it will backfire.
When it comes to Poland, it has been hand-picked by the US I think for their own purpose and "accommodated" in "new Europe", in order to have a faithful vassal in the EU.
Obviously, because of the long history of hostilities between Russia and Poland, Poland served the US well (Poland was behind an attempt to cut Ukraine off of Russia and to push it into the EU,) but overall... No, way too expensive project.
Disagree.
An active business is being conducted between Ukraine and Russia with pretty good speed. I have already been offered 3 times in the last month to work in organizations with an office in Ukraine and consumers of products in Russia. And it doesn’t bother anyone. Business as usial! Although all media use expressions like "Russia-aggressor, hybrid war, danger of invasion, seized territories" and e.t.c.
No it's not "business as usual"
Ukraine economy is down, because it has lost Russian market, no matter who offered you what lately.
Fact.
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