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Old 03-06-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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"17:30: The EU considers Crimea's decision to hold a referendum as "contrary to the Ukrainian constitution and therefore illegal", says European Council President Herman Van Rompuy"

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Crimean Russia vote
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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Are there any precedents in modern history (last few decades) when a certain territory seceded from one country and then joined another one? I can't think of any to be honest... It's something from the past, from the WW era.
It may become a dangerous precedent which can contribute to even more separatism all over the world.
Putin is going too far. This conflict in any case won't do any good to anyone, including Russia herself.
I see you are from Belarus. Putin has reached out for unification of Russia and Belarus into a single nation: AFP: Putin favours Russia, Belarus unification

Does your country support unification too? It is very difficult for Belarus, with a population of 9.5 million, to have a powerful stance on its own in international affairs of the 21st century.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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I don't understand how Ukraine, a big state the size of Texas, can't get over the loss of a small region like Crimea (the size of Vermont).
I do.
That port with Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed there was supposed to be a major prize for NATO, once the new, friendly to the West government were to be firmly in charge of Crimea.
But now - big disappointment.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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"13:16: EU delegation to Ukraine head Ian Tombinskyy - speaking on proposals for a referendum in Crimea - says that under article 73 of the Ukrainian Constitution, issues relating to the alteration of the territory of Ukraine must be resolved exclusively by an all-Ukrainian referendum - "so it's quite clear that [a] referendum in only part of Ukraine is not a way to decide about it".
Unless, of course, otherwise is decided by the *popular uprising of the people.*

( See what I mean? What a can of worms has been opened on Maidan in Kiev?)
Not saying what's good what's bad here, just pointing at that - can of worms.)

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Old 03-06-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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I do.
That port with Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed there was supposed to be a major prize for NATO, once the new, friendly to the West government were to be firmly in charge of Crimea.
But now - big disappointment.
So now it's more like Texas if Houston decided to separate and join Mexico (not a perfect analogy but close).
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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"17:30: The EU considers Crimea's decision to hold a referendum as "contrary to the Ukrainian constitution and therefore illegal", says European Council President Herman Van Rompuy"

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Crimean Russia vote
What a surprise. the EU decides if the decision of a region from a foreign country decides to join another foreign country is "illegal". Why the hell does it have anything to do with the EU?
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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"17:30: The EU considers Crimea's decision to hold a referendum as "contrary to the Ukrainian constitution and therefore illegal", says European Council President Herman Van Rompuy"

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Crimean Russia vote
Yet a coup is in accordance to the Ukrainian constitution?
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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"13:16: EU delegation to Ukraine head Ian Tombinskyy - speaking on proposals for a referendum in Crimea - says that under article 73 of the Ukrainian Constitution, issues relating to the alteration of the territory of Ukraine must be resolved exclusively by an all-Ukrainian referendum - "so it's quite clear that [a] referendum in only part of Ukraine is not a way to decide about it".

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Crimean Russia vote

"13:26: A decree making Crimea part of Russia is already in force and Ukrainian troops still on its territory will be treated as occupiers and forced to surrender or leave, Crimea's deputy prime minister is quoted by Reuters as saying. "The only lawful armed force on the territory of the Crimea is the Russian armed forces," Rustam Temirgaliev is reported to have said."

Wow!

How pathetic and predictible!
The legitimacy of the constitution went out the door with the coup; a coup is in no way in accordance to the constitution. The parliament's actions after the coup are in no way in accordance with the constitution. But now all of a sudden, the constitution is the msot important thing around.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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What a surprise. the EU decides if the decision of a region from a foreign country decides to join another foreign country is "illegal". Why the hell does it have anything to do with the EU?
But the EU had no problem with Kosovo declaring independence.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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history will prove that Putin was on the wrong side of truth ;-)
who comes after Putin ?

will there be nukes in Crimea ?

what will be the status wrt. 1994BM , if USA,UK,Ukraine don't recognize it ?

however, Kerry just said he is optimistic for a solution - several ideas were on the table
No, there will not be nukes in Crimea. Crimea is important because of the Black Sea, nothing more. There are not even nukes in Kaliningrad. I do not remember, but Russia withdrew or is going to from the intermediate missile treaty, reason is to secure the non-EU border with China and Pakistan having nukes. Russia has placed non-nuke intermediate range missiles in Kaliningrad and near the Georgian border area.

And again with this Memo; the Memo did not at all state action must be taken, there is not any enforcement language in the Memo, this is why you have basically seen this memo dropped from the debate between the parties involved. And again, you either forget, or are obtuse, to the issue revolving around who is the legitimate government (the fact there is a disagreement is enough for a pause and negotiation); that sort of throws a wrench in the whole Memo thing anyway.
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