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Old 01-01-2020, 02:21 PM
 
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Nonsense, everyone knows the war started Dec 7, 1941 drawing in the superpower who destroyed the Axis powers. First in Europe then in Japan, the USA confirmed its status as undefeated champion in world wars. The skirmishes between others prior to this date were just a warm up. Our victory was so complete that we still base armies there 75 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

"World War II (often abbreviated to WWII or WW2), also known as the Second World War, was a global war that lasted from 1939 to 1945."

With your knowledge in such basic facts lacking this much, no wonder your opinions on other matters are what they are' distorted by the lack of knowledge and heavily biased in non-fact based opinions and bigotry.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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Are you serious, of course the interests of my country are more important than Serbia when the stream passes through my country. Imagine Canada building a road across America just because Mexico needs it and then asking "why is america more important than mexico" if they don't want it. I can't see one reason why should we care about Serbia, at least with Makedonia one can say we're the same country.


And even if the bulgars weren't from europe originally this doesn't change the fact that spending over thousand years in one place will surely make you think like the locals.



The whole Russian gas thing is bad for everyone in europe not just my country for 2 reasons: first aside from the obvious that there are better energy alternatives that won't destroy the climate and the planet and 2: because it creates a total energy dependence and monopol from russia.
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Old 01-02-2020, 01:00 PM
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Turkish stream doesn't change Bulgarias gas sourcing. It simply makes it cheaper by lowering transition costs. They mostly use gas for heating there only so not a big deal... Aka who cares about something so minor? If they wanted to continue their nuke plant then this would be a non issue. Same if they took up fracking.
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:09 PM
 
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The whole Russian gas thing is bad for everyone in europe not just my country for 2 reasons: first aside from the obvious that there are better energy alternatives that won't destroy the climate and the planet and 2: because it creates a total energy dependence and monopol from russia.
Natural gas is the cleanest and least dangerous source of fuel we currently have available. The only time it really gets dangerous is when large volumes are stored in a liquid form. Imagine an LNG tanker going off in some harbor next to a city like Seattle. Granted it can be dangerous if it's allowed to accumulate in homes but that rarely happens and is very safe considering how widely used it is.

And if you're worried about a Russian monopoly keep in mind Russia needs you as a customer. This is a symbiotic relationship. Now if you're stupid enough to do something like attack Russia be ready to go cold. Just be a good neighbor and it will all be fine.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:38 AM
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So that's why Russia halted oil to Belarus. For not being a good enough neighbor. Time for Belarus to look West before it's too late.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:44 AM
 
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So that's why Russia halted oil to Belarus. For not being a good enough neighbor. Time for Belarus to look West before it's too late.

They all want *subsidized price,* as back in Soviet times, instead of the "commercial" one.
Yet they promote "independent politics."
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Old 01-03-2020, 01:51 PM
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Hmm this sounds familiar... Without corrupt interests to feed off subsidies this model is destined to fail.
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Old 01-03-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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They all want *subsidized price,* as back in Soviet times, instead of the "commercial" one.
Yet they promote "independent politics."
And in return pay for even pricier American LNG

Kind of reminds me of the Boston tea party debacle, the tea that was thrown in to the bay was subsidized and was cheaper than what people back in Europe were paying even with the taxes, but the whole “taxation without representation” really rubbed them the wrong way. Perhaps something similar is happening with Belarus and Ukraine, it’s not necessarily that they want cheaper gas, but to be treated as equal partners?
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Old 01-03-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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And in return pay for even pricier American LNG

Kind of reminds me of the Boston tea party debacle, the tea that was thrown in to the bay was subsidized and was cheaper than what people back in Europe were paying even with the taxes, but the whole “taxation without representation” really rubbed them the wrong way. Perhaps something similar is happening with Belarus and Ukraine, it’s not necessarily that they want cheaper gas, but to be treated as equal partners?
If equality is what they want then why not pay what everybody else does? If they want cheaper resources then it doesn't come free. I see no reason Ukraine should be given any special considerations. The current junta is Russias enemy ffs. Belarus? If they value their independence so much they can buy American LNG and prostitute themselves to NATO and Russia can put troops on the borders.
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Old 01-03-2020, 05:59 PM
DKM
 
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This is currently about oil, not gas and Ukraine does pay international prices for both. Belarus doesn't but they soon may have to if not given a choice. It means changing their economy and possibly political system. The good news is international prices are so low (esp for gas) that it won't be a big jump. I guess we will see what comes of all this.
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