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Regarding the Carroll Bellemeade South development, I wonder if Roy would convert the county office building at the corner of Friendly & Eugene into a conference/convention center? It was a former Sears retail store many years ago. It has 2 floors and a basement with a total of over 90,000 sq ft of space. The Elm Street Center, which will be part of the Westin hotel project, was formally the Ellis Stone Department store. It will be used as a conference center when the Westin hotel opens. Merely speculation on my part.
Regarding the Carroll Bellemeade South development, I wonder if Roy would convert the county office building at the corner of Friendly & Eugene into a conference/convention center? It was a former Sears retail store many years ago. It has 2 floors and a basement with a total of over 90,000 sq ft of space. The Elm Street Center, which will be part of the Westin hotel project, was formally the Ellis Stone Department store. It will be used as a conference center when the Westin hotel opens. Merely speculation on my part.
Probably not. Roy Carroll is not known for preserving existing structures for his developments. The old Dixie apartment building was demolished to make way for the Hyatt Place.
As for the Westin it was a no brainer to incorporate the Elm Street Center with the Westin. I don't think they could demolish it if they wanted to because its in the historic district. The only exception a building is torn down in the historic district is if it has been condemned by the city and the building is a danger to the public. That almost happened to the Cascade Saloon but it got renovated. If the Cascade Saloon had been torn down, a new building could not be built in its place because its in the railroad right of way.
Probably not. Roy Carroll is not known for preserving existing structures for his developments. The old Dixie apartment building was demolished to make way for the Hyatt Place.
As for the Westin it was a no brainer to incorporate the Elm Street Center with the Westin. I don't think they could demolish it if they wanted to because its in the historic district. The only exception a building is torn down in the historic district is if it has been condemned by the city and the building is a danger to the public. That almost happened to the Cascade Saloon but it got renovated. If the Cascade Saloon had been torn down, a new building could not be built in its place because its in the railroad right of way.
Not true. Being located in a National Register Historic District does not prevent demolition.
Interesting article about the opening of Hyatt Place and Carroll at Bellemeade. It also discusses about Carroll building an Aloft Hotel at Carroll at Bellemeade South across the street and Carroll wanting to build a convention center.
“I think there’s discussion around other parts of some strategic areas downtown that would be an additional hotel and conference center up to 30,000 square feet,” Madison Carroll said. “I simply say that everything is on the table.” Interesting article. Guess we will find out what Roy has planned in less than 30 days.
“I think there’s discussion around other parts of some strategic areas downtown that would be an additional hotel and conference center up to 30,000 square feet,” Madison Carroll said. “I simply say that everything is on the table.” Interesting article. Guess we will find out what Roy has planned in less than 30 days.
Yup. However I'd go up more than 30,000.sq ft. That's like a very large ballroom. For the number of hotels going up downtown, a facility needs to be in the range of 75,000 to 100,000 square feet. That's the sweet spot for downtown. Not too big and not too small.
“I think there’s discussion around other parts of some strategic areas downtown that would be an additional hotel and conference center up to 30,000 square feet,” Madison Carroll said. “I simply say that everything is on the table.” Interesting article. Guess we will find out what Roy has planned in less than 30 days.
Yup. However I'd go up more than 30,000.sq ft. That's like a very large ballroom. For the number of hotels going up downtown, a facility needs to be in the range of 80,000 to 100,000 square feet. That's the sweet spot for downtown. Not too big and not too small. Heck the Elm Street Center is 77,000 square feet and its not even a convention center. The M.C. Benton Convention Center in downtown Winston-Salem is 100,000 square feet and that's the size a convention center in downtown Greensboro needs to be. By comparison the Koury Convention Center has 275,000 sq ft of meeting space but we don't need a facility that large downtown. 30,000 square feet is not going to be enough to quantify 3 or 4 new hotels on top of the existing hotels downtown.
Yup. However I'd go up more than 30,000.sq ft. That's like a very large ballroom. For the number of hotels going up downtown, a facility needs to be in the range of 80,000 to 100,000 square feet. That's the sweet spot for downtown. Not too big and not too small. Heck the Elm Street Center is 77,000 square feet and its not even a convention center. The M.C. Benton Convention Center in downtown Winston-Salem is 100,000 square feet and that's the size a convention center in downtown Greensboro needs to be. By comparison the Koury Convention Center has 275,000 sq ft of meeting space but we don't need a facility that large downtown. 30,000 square feet is not going to be enough to quantify 3 or 4 new hotels on top of the existing hotels downtown.
But the size of the conference center shouldn't be how do we justify building a bunch of potentially unnecessary hotels. It should be based on what the demand is for hotel rooms. Period.
30,000 seems small to me too... but if that's the demand then there's no need to build a 100,000 square foot facility. That would be an irresponsible use of cash.
But the size of the conference center shouldn't be how do we justify building a bunch of potentially unnecessary hotels. It should be based on what the demand is for hotel rooms. Period.
30,000 seems small to me too... but if that's the demand then there's no need to build a 100,000 square foot facility. That would be an irresponsible use of cash.
Demand is there, that's why its being considered. But if Greensboro is going to build all these downtown hotels, a convention center will help make sure they are successful in the long run. 100,000 square feet is not is big as you think. Its actually pretty small. By comparison the convention centers in downtown Raleigh and Charlotte are 500,000 square feet so 100,000 is pretty modest. Downtown Greensboro needs that at least, anything smaller will limit what kind of conventions come downtown. Its not even worth pursuing unless the facility has some size to it. An oversized ballroom will do nothing but attract wedding receptions. It shouldn't be any smaller than 80,000 sq ft.
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