Covid virus in phoenix (fish, repel, trial)

[Ponderosa]

Vaccinations rates are definitely impacting COVID19 cases
This is based on yesterday's report

Case adds by age bracket
Age Today Last Month
Under 19: 22% 18%
20-44: 49% 40%
45-54: 14% 14%
55-64: 7% 14%
65+: 7% 15%

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Fauci said at the beginning of covid when it was devastating Wuhan that the virus posed little to no threat to us and advocated continued travel to and from China....I thought Fauci wrong and he was. When Fauci said a mask wasn't helpful at the start I thought he was dead wrong....and he was. When Fauci said you can hookup on tinder with little risk in the middle of the pandemic, I thought Fauci was wrong and he was.

Now he says transmission is substantially among vaccinated than non-vaccinated, I say show me the data that you used to reach that conclusion and please define substantially less.

In science sometimes things are fluid like in a pandemic. What appeared to be the right decision early on can and should be changed as new information comes in. Its silly to bash Fauci. He has been right most of the time. And he was early on saying this pandemic was a big problem even when others early on said it was going to just disappear by Easter.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Israel is having multiple times more cases per capita than Arizona in the last month while having far fewer deaths. They are mass vaccinated and have seen a far less drop off in cases than Arizona with a far lower vaccination of its population. Sorry but you are dead wrong.

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I didn't bother looking up the obvious ^^. Forgetting that for a moment, I can easily cherry-pick specific pieces of data and draw counter-intuitive (incorrect) conclusions. Heck, I can "prove" with cherry-picked data that masks don't work at all. Some people have tried.

Why the mental gymnastics to push some weird agenda that the vaccine isn't effective? It's been proven so, and using Israel in an attempt to push this incorrect notion is baseless for the reasons pointed out above. The hurdle is going to be these anti-vaxx weirdos that are paranoid about everything under the sun, except catching COVID. Let's get a significant number of the population vaccinated, and watch the cases, hospitalizations and deaths plummet.

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Israel is having multiple times more cases per capita than Arizona in the last month while having far fewer deaths. They are mass vaccinated and have seen a far less drop off in cases than Arizona with a far lower vaccination of its population. Sorry but you are dead wrong.

Apparently you did not look at my links. The 7 day average for Israel for new cases is in the 500's per day. Arizona has an average for the past 7 days of new cases in the 500's per day. They per capita are the same now. If you want to pick a time frame that distorts the facts, be my guest.

Both were in the 8000 to 9000 new cases per day in mid January. Israel does 2.5 times the testing that Arizona does per capita. Even with that they have less cases per capital than Arizona. And less deaths per capita which would lead to the conclusion that Arizona's real numbers are probably at least twice or more what is being reported.

So your whole theory that the vaccine is not making a difference is totally wrong. If you look at all the middle east countries surrounding Israel who are not vaccinating quickly their cases are flat or rising over the past two months. Most of the EU which has been slow to vaccinate have rising cases. The UK which is quickly vaccinating their people have had falling cases for two months like the USA and Israel. Clearly just vaccinating the high risk people cuts way down on new cases.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Fauci said at the beginning of covid when it was devastating Wuhan that the virus posed little to no threat to us and advocated continued travel to and from China....I thought Fauci wrong and he was. When Fauci said a mask wasn't helpful at the start I thought he was dead wrong....and he was. When Fauci said you can hookup on tinder with little risk in the middle of the pandemic, I thought Fauci was wrong and he was.

Now he says transmission is substantially reduced among vaccinated than non-vaccinated, I say show me the data that you used to reach that conclusion and please define substantially less.

Fauci and the surgeon general knew he was lying about the masks. No one in his position could have possibly been that stupid. re: Tinder. he said, "if you are willing to take the risk." That all said, no one is 100% correct. When you are quoted several thousand times (yes, he LOVES the publicity), you will find questionable stats.

Saying that, you have been known to pull out a single data point to "prove" your point. If memory serves me, early on, you thought low humidity was the savior. How did that single datapoint theory work out for you?

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Yep, and it will be the AZ snowbird's fault. Plus, the double vaccinated snowbirds are going to transmit it to everyone else.

According to the state there are about 300,000 winter visitors in the state now. Most are better than 65. 70% of that age group has received a vaccination. So based on just one shot, over 200,000 shots allocated on the basis of our permanent resident count went into the arms of non-resident snowbirds. If you figure two shots per bird, it is closer to 400,000. So while one maybe can't blame the snowbirds for taking advantage of the opportunity, one can correctly assume the lines are longer and the shots are scarcer because of the decision to let them get in line when there was no allocation for them.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Setting aside Israel, looking at Europe, Canada, Michigan, and New Jersey, I think we’re about two weeks away from another surge

Senseless timing by Ducey. Total failure as a governor

There's also this nugget that Mexico has been 'off' about their death toll:


https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...&utm_medium=AP

[Mike from back east]

Although the NY Times is a paywall site, they are making a lot of their pandemic data freely available.
Here are their numbers for Maricopa County. The mapping they use will show you any county in the USA.
I'm a subscriber to the NY Times and IMO it's the best $30 I spend each month.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

Although the NY Times is a paywall site, they are making a lot of their pandemic data freely available.
Here are their numbers for Maricopa County. The mapping they use will show you any county in the USA.
I'm a subscriber to the NY Times and IMO it's the best $30 I spend each month.

I pay $4 per month. Do you get a better paper for $26 more?

[wase4711]

paper or digital?