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Old 12-12-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I wonder how well Comey, Lisa Page, Strozk, etc. will be sleeping at night.

The clock is ticking till time of indictments.
Keep hope alive, BB.
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Old 12-12-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Very good article on how the IG reports frames topics to avoid going into the area of intentions by the FBI and writes it all off as poor procedures and policies

Steele report collusion

Steele report provided the FBI/CIA with fake intel they could launder and Steele in turn used third-parties so he didn't have to answer directly to the credibility or the source of the information.

This is a report on how badly they mangled the investigation because the FBI agent forgot to check that one of their targets was a government informant.

The Hidden Hand
Another Trump critic comes out with a scathing criticism of the investigation and the media echo chamber

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It’s long been the case that CIA, FBI and NSA operatives tried to infiltrate and shape domestic news, but they at least had the decency to do it clandestinely. In 2008, the New York Times’ David Barstow won the Pulitzer Prize for exposing a secret Pentagon program in which retired Generals and other security state agents would get hired as commentators and analysts and then – unbeknownst to their networks – coordinate their messaging to ensure that domestic news was being shaped by the propaganda of the military and intelligence communities.

But now it’s all out in the open. It’s virtually impossible to turn on MSNBC or CNN without being bombarded with former Generals, CIA operatives, FBI agents and NSA officials who now work for those networks as commentators and, increasingly, as reporters.
Glenn Greenwald
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Old 12-12-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: FL
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I am shocked I tell you. Just shocked that Barr, the guy that covered up Reagan's treason, is cool with covering up Trump's treason.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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Except Shokin wasn't investigating anyone - that's why the whole world wanted him fired. Duh.
Yes, Shokin was actually investigating people.

On February 4, 2016, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's office, under the direction of Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, announced the seizure of property from Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings' founder, Mykola Zlochevksy. The seizure occurred pursuant to a raid on Mr. Zlochevsky's home on February 2, 2016.

In addition, according to records obtained by media sources, on February 11, 18, and 19 of 2016, Vice President Biden held a series of phone calls with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko regarding previous demands to dismiss Prosecutor General Shokin for alleged corruption. Another phone call between the two took place on March 22, 2016, just seven days before Prosecutor General Shokin was removed from office on March 29, 2016.


This is at least one possibility for why Joe Biden stepped into the internal justice department of Ukraine and used $1 billion in US aid to coerce them into firing Shokin.

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...The ambassador told the impeachment inquiry that he had told Ukrainians that if they wanted $391 million in military aid released to them, they would have to announce investigations that Trump was demanding they announce. Top officials in the White House were all aware of what was unfolding in the scheme, Sondland said, and the orders for at least one of the quid pro quo deals came directly from Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani...
Sondland admitted in testimony, that he never heard anyone tell him that "if they wanted $391 million in military aid released to them, they would have to announce investigations that Trump was demanding." No one told him that, Sondland only presumed that was what was going on.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:28 PM
 
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I am shocked I tell you. Just shocked that Barr, the guy that covered up Reagan's treason, is cool with covering up Trump's treason.
So now Trump committed treason????

You better tell Nancy about that, cuz she did not include treason as an article of impeachment.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'll repeat myself: Page didn't work for Trump in 2014. Period.
Carter Page was a CIA informant in 2014.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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Criticism of the Nunes memo & the Grassley-Graham criminal referral of Christopher Steele hasn’t aged well. Let’s do a look-back at how media and commentators received the referral in January 2018.


LOL!


The activist media was complacent, ALL IN on the frame up of Donald Trump!
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So now Trump committed treason????

You better tell Nancy about that, cuz she did not include treason as an article of impeachment.
Although I am surprised she didn't. She threw everything else at the wall hoping SOMETHING would stick.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:56 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Carter Page was a CIA informant in 2014.
What does that have to do with the claim that this (FISA warrants on Page) was all a plot to "get Trump"?
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Old 12-12-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Yes, Shokin was actually investigating people.

On February 4, 2016, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's office, under the direction of Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, announced the seizure of property from Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings' founder, Mykola Zlochevksy. The seizure occurred pursuant to a raid on Mr. Zlochevsky's home on February 2, 2016.

In addition, according to records obtained by media sources, on February 11, 18, and 19 of 2016, Vice President Biden held a series of phone calls with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko regarding previous demands to dismiss Prosecutor General Shokin for alleged corruption. Another phone call between the two took place on March 22, 2016, just seven days before Prosecutor General Shokin was removed from office on March 29, 2016.


This is at least one possibility for why Joe Biden stepped into the internal justice department of Ukraine and used $1 billion in US aid to coerce them into firing Shokin.
Did Zlochevsky get his property/money back? What motivated the entire EU, plus World Bank, plus the IMF to also call for Shokin's removal? Were they all worried about Hunter's job, too?

The consensus amongst the international community is that Shokin was falling down on the job. Period. That's why pretty much all of Western Europe, plus the US, plus at least two international banking organizations wanted him gone. Period.

It had nothing to do with Zlochevsky's stuff getting seized. The US made this demand out in the open as part of official foreign policy, this wasn't some secret backroom deal that Biden was hiding.

Plus one small fact - BIDEN DIDN'T HAVE THE POWER TO WITHHOLD FOREIGN AID DOLLARS. He knew it. Poroshenko knew it. Everyone knew it. That's why Biden said "Call him (Obama)." when questioned on that very topic. You think Barack gave a damn about Hunter's job?



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Sondland admitted in testimony, that he never heard anyone tell him that "if they wanted $391 million in military aid released to them, they would have to announce investigations that Trump was demanding." No one told him that, Sondland only presumed that was what was going on.
Sondland is a hotelier completely out of his depth in international diplomacy, I'm not buying that this was his idea alone for one second.
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Old 12-12-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Did Zlochevsky get his property/money back? What motivated the entire EU, plus World Bank, plus the IMF to also call for Shokin's removal? Were they all worried about Hunter's job, too?

The consensus amongst the international community is that Shokin was falling down on the job. Period. That's why pretty much all of Western Europe, plus the US, plus at least two international banking organizations wanted him gone. Period.

Proof of you statements ?
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