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Old 07-28-2021, 06:57 AM
 
Location: exit 0
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NOTE: THIS IS THE VACCINE THREAD

Since the other vaccine thread got cluttered with stuff that had nothing to do with the vaccines, here's a new one.

NOTE: THIS IS THE VACCINE THREAD
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Old 07-28-2021, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I would blame Fox News for misinformation on the virus.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 06:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sprawling_Homeowner View Post
My definition is absolutely meaningless insofar the need for the general public to accept this vaccine as many C-D posters say it should, and the way that Biden, Fauci, Cuomo, the CDC, and others are saying the general public must accept.

I referred to what both C-D posters, pro-vaccine advocates, and people in positions of leadership as per the paragraph above have stated - that this vaccine is safe and effective.

There have been various reports, in the United States and abroad, of serious complications including death in certain cases and in others, permanent and irreversible bodily damage, including in extremely young and very healthy people.

Furthermore, the vaccinated are not prevented from spreading the virus nor from contracting it.

Nothing to reconsider. This vaccine is neither safe nor effective.
Well, I am genuinely sorry you feel that way. I can appreciate how you might be concerned about the adverse effects of any medication, but I would encourage you to look further into the numbers. I think if you keep an open mind you’ll be able to confirm for yourself that vaccine is pretty darn safe and affords folks who take it a significant level of protection from serious illness.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:00 AM
 
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Back on topic. I jumped though hoops to get my vaccine. I spent several hundred dollars to take advantage of a MN loophole and I got mine 1st one in Feb. So for me, no regrets.

After seeing the data, if I was a very young male, I would not be so fast to jump on board. Well over 1200 documented heart issues have occurred. Some of the posters alluded to it earlier.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
No the issue is information pollution. There is so much information all coming at once, that no one really knows how to disseminate information. The reason why less propaganda was used in the past, is because news sources didn't need it. People just already blindly trusted the government and the media. But now everyone wants to feel like they're politically clever. Everyone wants to act like they know some "truth" that no one else knows. Or some "truth" that "they don't want you to know". That everyone now thinks they've discovered some secret knowledge and everyone else is clueless.


So the other side can't just be "different". They now are considered "clueless and uninformed". Everyone is now in the game of trying to outsmart the government and the media. Because these days no matter what you choose to believe in. There is always some sort of info dump somewhere on the web to reaffirm your beliefs.

Believe the earth is flat? There is "truth" to reveal that. Believe the government controls the weather? There is "truth" to reveal that. Believe Trump is the spawn of Satan? There is "truth" to reveal that. Believe Biden is a totalitarian dictator? There is "truth" to believe that.

The reality in an information age, it's ironic how little information informs our beliefs. We walk into things with emotions, and we think just because we can pull together a source, it's somehow less about emotions. The issue is that we all think we're some logical giants because we can all reaffirm our beliefs with "evidence". But the reality I think we use logic less now than we did 60 years ago. That is why echo chambers are so popular now.


The most powerful 3 words you can say in politics today is "I don't know"
This is pretty much it. People today can find links that prove any foolish thing that pops in their head.
I used to think the conspiracy nuts were harmless.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Can I ask how you feel about ALL communicable diseases?

I want to know if anyone around me has ANY communicable disease. I think if one is diagnosed with any of those diseases, they need to wear a sticker/label so I can avoid them or make them stay at home.
Not to detract, but it seems like many may not be aware of the mandated reporting of people with tuberculosis and restrictions placed on their movement. I don't relly think the situations are comparable but I do note there are prior examples of public health related restrictions. https://www.cdc.gov/tb/programs/laws/menu/caseid.htm
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Check your reading comprehension. The article did not say this. It says they carry a higher viral load than the previous variant. Not that the vaxxed are to blame, nor that they carry a higher load than the unvaxxed. It also doesn't say only the vaxxed are to wear masks as the OP mistakenly claims. Previously only the vaxxed didn't need to wear masks. But as we all know, the unvaxxed took theirs off anyway. So now the guidance is we all get to wear them again. Thanks unvaxxed! Your selfishness took us all back to this.
Where is the clinical study that proved this? The problem with the CDC is that it makes bogus claims about the characteristics of the virus, and then when actual science catches up, they rescind their previous statements.

Remember when the CDC was telling everyone to wipe down surfaces, because COVID was spread thru contact with contaminated surfaces? Well, they were wrong. As usual the CDC has a bunch of knee-jerk reactionaries working for them. They spread whatever wild assed guesses that enter their heads. Wear a mask, don't where a mask, wear a mask, yadda, yadda, yadda
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:04 AM
 
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My wife and I both fully support vaccination. I am a physician and she is a former nurse.

We were discussing at dinner why opposition to the Covid vaccine is so widespread today, when there was very little, if any, opposition to vaccinations when we were kids in the 60s and 70s.

Ignorance and misinformation is at the root of the majority of those choosing to not be vaccinated. In the 60s, the vast majority of Americans got their information from newspapers and tv- they trusted the media.

Fast forward to today. The media has become a propaganda wing of the democrat party and is not a reliable source of information. The majority of Americans no longer trust the media to be objective and accurate. Now, more than ever, we need to have a media that disseminates OBJECTIVE, FACTUAL information to the public to encourage vaccination. However, the public no longer trusts the media, due to their behavior over the last 40-50 years.

So if you want to lay blame for those choosing to avoid the vaccine, blame the media. NO ONE trusts what they say, even when they are trying to tell the truth (for once).
Hard to know who to trust.

We don't know who gets paid under the table to say certain things and hide other things.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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It is just wrong to have people have their lives destroyed ... forced to take an experimental drug treatment OR lose their jobs?

I think this is it for America... to have people be so cruel to their fellow americans while at the same time rolling over and never saying a word about criminals and illegals.

I don't want to be part of a country with people like that anymore.

Seriously.
No one is forced to take anything. There are plenty of places hiring right now. Easy to find a job thats isnt requiring a vaccine.
 
Old 07-28-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
My wife and I both fully support vaccination. I am a physician and she is a former nurse.

We were discussing at dinner why opposition to the Covid vaccine is so widespread today, when there was very little, if any, opposition to vaccinations when we were kids in the 60s and 70s.

Ignorance and misinformation is at the root of the majority of those choosing to not be vaccinated. In the 60s, the vast majority of Americans got their information from newspapers and tv- they trusted the media.

Fast forward to today. The media has become a propaganda wing of the democrat party and is not a reliable source of information. The majority of Americans no longer trust the media to be objective and accurate. Now, more than ever, we need to have a media that disseminates OBJECTIVE, FACTUAL information to the public to encourage vaccination. However, the public no longer trusts the media, due to their behavior over the last 40-50 years.

So if you want to lay blame for those choosing to avoid the vaccine, blame the media. NO ONE trusts what they say, even when they are trying to tell the truth (for once).
Because it's not 1960 anymore. Fast forward to the reality of 2021.

Because kids today get 70+ immunizations.

Because you cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer as they are protected by the government from any liability whatsoever.

Because the mRNA vaccines have NEVER been used before. Completely new. No long-term data in human population. (yes, yes yes the technology has been here for decades ... and has FAILED for decades)

Because this virus has a 99% survival rate.

Because ANYONE who asks basic questions about the vaccines is silenced, censored, suspended, blocked, insulted and attacked.

Because there is no fair discussion regarding the vaccines. Just propaganda. Any MSM story on the vaccines ends with "I'm so glad I got the vaccine" or "go get your vaccines." No other viewpoint allowed.

Because VAERS numbers are unprecedented. Yet no MSM or official will even discuss them. Why?

Is that enough? Should I go on?
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