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I've pointed out many times that people will need to have dedicated charging stations for their cars. If families have two cars now, they'll have two EVs. Which means they will need two dedicated EV charging stations at home, and maybe at work too, if they have long commutes.
It's fine if you have your own two car garage, and can afford to pay an electrician to install it. But what if you live in a apartment complex? I heard an EV charger can add up to almost the same cost to air condition your home. double that with to EVs.
Let's be real, most parking is first come, first served. You cannot be sure a parking spot with a working charging port will be available, or that no one will steal it from your car in the night. Kids love to play stupid games. I can definitely envision kids deciding it's great fun to unplug all the EV chargers at night.
Then of course, not all EVs use the same charger. And how do you pay for the charge? If someone does steal your charger, are you on the hook for their charge?
Or just buy 2 EVs for each charging station. One to drive and one to sit in the garage charging so you can drive it the next day.
depending on where you live, you might need 2 permits from the town to install the charging stations, an electrician for the electrical work, and possibly an upgrade to the electrical system of the house. Monet, money, money!
And what do you do in places where people living there are forced to park out on the public street? How are those people supposed to charge their EV?
Now that is a thought. Why bother running power from the house to the charger if it can be powered completely by solar power ? No trenching, no electrician, just the install of the charger and solar panel. I might have to look into that.
Well, unless you only charge you EV during the day. solar does not charge at night. You'd need to purchase a big enough battery plant to hold the charge generated by the solar panels. An EV charger that uses a battery plant as a recharge unit might cost a bit more to install and maintain then one that simply uses 240v from the local power grid.
Well, unless you only charge you EV during the day. solar does not charge at night. You'd need to purchase a big enough battery plant to hold the charge generated by the solar panels. An EV charger that uses a battery plant as a recharge unit might cost a bit more to install and maintain then one that simply uses 240v from the local power grid.
And all this malarkey is why we are going to pass on an EV.
How will CA recharge their cars if they already have rolling brownouts and a recharge consumes far more energy that AC, which CA discourages people from using to avoid brown outs?
Logic, reason and foresight escape the extreme left mind.
Shhh, it'll be magical. Millions of Californians will buy EVs and the local electrical substations will magically pop out of nowhere. The regulators and transformers on all of their street corners will magically grow in size to keep up with demand.
I don't know why Democrats don't think logically or bother to observe cause, and effect, and contemplate the actions of their pie in the sky ideas.
Even without millions more EVs, Californians have been pleaded with to reduce their energy consumption. Can you imagine what happens when demands double or triple?
And all this malarkey is why we are going to pass on an EV.
Well, it's going to backfire spectacularly so take pleasure in that.
Half the country won't drive one. I am a car enthusiast and don't care for them, but non enthusiasts don't like democrats shoving them down their throats either.
California has only 13 short years to majorly overhaul its grid, lol.
I lived in Los Angeles where tens of thousands of cars park on the street. The apartment we lived in had a nice garage, impossible to install chargers there (it just wouldn't work the design of the garage). And the landlords I promise you wouldn't pay for them even if it were possible.
The EV pushers act like everyone has a nice garage in SoCal.
Well, it's going to backfire spectacularly so take pleasure in that.
Half the country won't drive one. I am a car enthusiast and don't care for them, but non enthusiasts don't like democrats shoving them down their throats either.
California has only 13 short years to majorly overhaul its grid, lol.
I lived in Los Angeles where tens of thousands of cars park on the street. The apartment we lived in had a nice garage, impossible to install chargers there (it just wouldn't work the design of the garage). And the landlords I promise you wouldn't pay for them even if it were possible.
The EV pushers act like everyone has a nice garage in SoCal.
Not at all. Most EVs will need to be charged once, maybe twice a week at most. Once charger will work for the vast majority of households.
No, it's more like 1/2 of that. The average American drives 39 miles a day. EVs get on the average 3 miles/kwh. So that works out to 14/kwh/day which is about 1/3rd what central AC costs.
I think you are referring to a person with an established job, where they bought a house, or signed a lease for an aprtment close to work. A lot of people just starting out, or people who recently suffered a set back in life, are forced to take jobs pretty far away from home, because they cannot afford to be picking. It's a very lucky person who finds a job that's only 15 miles from home. A lot of people travel quite a ways into the big city each day.
My first real job was in Chicago, it was a 35 mile commute, so 70 miles round trip. Rush hour traffic eats up a lot, keeping the heater or AC on eats a a lot too. Unless you are lucky enough to have a short commute, this will not apply. Besides, you cannot just assume your policies aren't going to be a burden on people because some poll you saw says your policies work for the average person.
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All easily solvable problems. Make it illegal to park in an EV spot for any vehicle that isn't charging. (Or say charging within a certain window of time.)
Police don't really go around enforcing rules in private parking lots. They are not going to create a new department to pay officers to drive around and monitor whether your car is allowed to be in that specific charger slot at Joe's Park-O-Rama
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EVs have an alarm that goes off if a person who doesn't have the key fob unplugs it. Security lights and cameras will help. Or even fences if your neighborhood is that bad in which case you have bigger problems. Not true. Practically all EVs use the same Level 1 and Level 2 chargers. It's only when you get into the high voltage DC and other highspeed chargers where there are differences. But even those vehicles will charge with a Level 1 or level 2 charger.
Let's say you're the landlord of an apartment complex, you have to build new EV charging stations. You have to make a guess as to how many tenants in the next few years will opt to buy an EV. You also have to guess which manufacturers, makes and models, then spend hundreds of thousands to install chargers, lights cameras, etc... Then you have to contract with a provider that will handle the billing, maintenance etc...
What if your numbers are off, and you have too few or too many parking stalls with EV charging stations? Are your tenants who drive ICE cars supposed to park a mile away? They signed a lease where you promised they were allowed to park in the parking ramp, or parking lot. What if customers with an EV cannot charge, because your numbers were short?
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Pay with a credit card? It's not much different than a parking meter really.
You don't think thieves will find a way to steal your charging cable? Or vandals won't break them?
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Not sure what you mean by someone stealing your charger. My charger is in my garage. I run the cord under the garage door while charging. If you have your charger mounted outdoors then it's not much different than someone stealing your electric meter, solar inverter, AC compressor, etc. I've never heard of those things being stolen.
I'm not talking about the lucky people who can afford their own garage and personal charging station.
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The cost in charging is from the power source, not any portable charger. So your question about being on the hook for your pay for charging an EV with your stolen charger makes no sense. Perhaps you can clarify your question.
It would be very easy to rig a device which clamps on the outside of a public charging cable and tap the wires to steal your power. Again, I'm not talking about your attached garage.
Don't get so hung up on the the "steal your power" comment, that is only a slim possibility. The more real possibility is if that the charger your landlord assigned to you might break, or have been vandalized.
And what do you do in places where people living there are forced to park out on the public street? How are those people supposed to charge their EV?
I've seen pictures and video of charging stations installed on light poles. Call up the charging app, scan the QR code on the charger, and start charging. It's not a difficult problem to solve.
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That is a very silly argument. Water is needed to sustain all life, not just human life, all life. Neither the market nor the politicians decided that, the laws of nature decided that a billion years ago.
Yea, sir, you know what the Hoover Damn is right ? Lake Mead ?
Las Vegas would have tapped out at 10,000 people without those.
If you didnt understand that without government creation of drinkable water in a desert by diverting river flow and creating reservoirs , then say that.
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